SPN: Brotherly Manlove by Winchesters (16)

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Chapter "Shadow" in the Catalogue of Touches between the Brothers Winchester. And in case you missed the previous installments:

Pilot. Wendigo. Dead In The Water. Phantom Traveler.
Bloody Mary. Skin. Hook Man. Bugs. Home. Asylum.
Scarecrow. Faith. Route 666. Nightmare. The Benders.

I'm all meta'd out right now, and specifically on Shadow. So this

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[moveablehistory]

I always have a hard time watching this ep - mostly because That Conversation breaks my woobie!heart each time. *sniff*

That being said, plz to be including body language. Hee. ♥

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That conversation is a heartbreaker... *sigh*

I will! :) It seems to be what everyone wants. You're all so... analytical. Yes. ;)

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I hear what you`re saying about the Talk but I`ll forever shake my head that no reassurance was offered that leaving the hunt wasn`t = leaving Dean for good. It would have been the most logical thing to say. And I can`t believe it was Sam`s intention to really ditch Dean forever since I can`t reconcile the thought of loving someone and yet not wanting them in your life in any capacity. Brain cannot compute with this. *g*
So it does make Sam look like he is ony thinking about his wants here and incapable of reconizing and adressing Dean`s. *sigh* I can only speculate that Sam thought it unnecessary to say or I`ll go crazy. :)

Hee. I love the part where Sam hoists Dean up and is all insecure of his Hulkness. *g*

It's a heartbreaking image, and there is something poignant about the fact that Sam can look over Dean's head like that. I can't explain it, but it just hurts me good.

It is camera angles like that that make Dean the Woobie of the family. :)

The irony of the split-up at the end, after Sam's request during that talk, is not

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I hear what you're saying, too. Perhaps, though, looking at what stand each is making here... perhaps Sam couldn't give that reassurance to Dean. Not so much for the sake of false hope, but from Sam's POV of Dean's POV, it might be like leaving the leash in his hands, you know? He is too concerned with making his point that this is not the life he wants, so that saying "but you'll always be in my life" is too much gray area for Dean. I'm not trying to say that's what Dean would do, but it's likely that Sam saw the possibility that Dean might interpret it that way, and stopped himself from adding it. Maybe...?

That hoist scene sort of sums up the Talk, don't it? Hee. :)

I do appreciate the karma of that farewell moment; I just get more annoyed by the mundane practicalities. :P

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He is too concerned with making his point that this is not the life he wants, so that saying "but you'll always be in my life" is too much gray area for Dean.

Ah, that might be my problem right there. Because he makes his wants, his point a total priority there. Even if it comes across as "God, I can wait to go back to my beautiful life and never see you again."
And that`s just so not how an adult relationship works because that always consists of compromises and equal giving and taking. Especially when you`re in the position of less emotional vulnerability. Only a child will demand
so carelessly and unconditionally.

But then I`ve always seen the Season as Sam growing up from being a child with a child`s view, both good and bad, towards his family. So maybe that was a necessary step. If painful to watch.

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OMG, I promise to stop beating the poor dead horse after this :) but I think the way I see it, is that Sam has all the power here and they both know it. So it`s not a very attractive quality to kick someone, who is already down for the count, to really, really get your point across. Feels like overkill to me.
Maybe that`s why it is my biggest Sam - you insensitive twit - moment for me. *g*

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I never noticed it before, but as noted, your dork fu is strong. I just assumed, with all the emo flying around in this ep, that they made physical contact, but I can see that they really didn't. It was all emotional, verbal contact.

Huh. Funny how the memory works.

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Verbal manlove isn't nearly as exciting as what they do (or not do) in Hell House. ;) That one's gonna be fun.

[tallisen]

I love your interpretation of Dean and Sam's miscomunication via "Scarecrow". I can really see that in the way they react to each other in this episode, and I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it.

I personally vote for the full body language of "Hell House", only because I'm shallow and love every bit of it. And really, there was so much more to the broken jaw look Dean gives Sam when he steps out of the bathroom, than a simple, "Oh noes, he almost caught me sticking itching powder in his boxers." And really, boxers? He was touching Sam's undies! *fangirls*

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That scene is always such a hot topic, because it pushes people's buttons both ways, but I really don't think there's a need to call one or the other brother wrong in that scene. I think Kripke mishandled it, and should have trusted JA's instinct that it wasn't what Dean would have admitted to, because having Dean be that raw and open puts a lot of fan expectation on Sam. Also, a lot of "just suck it up" on Dean.

Hee. :) Oh, yes. You are all voting "Yes" to body language. It's gonna be fun picking Dean (and Sam!) apart in that scene.

[lemmealone]

Hey, hi!

16.3 destroys me every time. First time I saw it, I thought Dean was actually pushing his face into Sam's chest and then my head fell off.

Also - body language!

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Hey! *hugs*

16.3 is just a beautiful image, yeah? I sort of wish we'd had a side view of it, just momentarily, to see if Dean does lean into him a little. Awww.

Body language, it is! ;)