Comments | joyful_molly: AWE Spoiler: Cutler Beckett and Jack Sparrow

joyful_molly

AWE Spoiler: Cutler Beckett and Jack Sparrow

Apr 19, 2007 19:22

It's a very short clip, and not that spoilery itself, but I have a theory (also regarding Norrington) ...

( SHORT CLIP FROM MOVIE SURFERS - BEWARE YE SPOILERS! )

awe, norrington, cutler beckett, spoilers

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lise_ann April 19 2007, 17:49:48 UTC

Actually, there is history between the two. It's given out as part of the video game back ground and is available on Wiki. Jack used to captain a EITC ship called the "Wicked Wench" (The Pearl), under Beckett.

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 07:01:42 UTC

Ahhhh... I didn't know that, I'm not a gamer. :) Well, I was aware that there is a history, as Cutler Beckett mentioned, but I didn't know about the ship. Thank you! I'm not that far off then. :D

anonymous April 19 2007, 18:20:37 UTC

I really like the way you think - particularly the "Norrington doesn´t die" bit... (I´m still holding out hope, too.)
But yes, I could also see Beckett branding him - we know what he´s like if he doesn´t get his way. And while I also don´t think James would ever really *end* up a pirate, I could see him ally with them as the "lesser evil" until Beckett is defeated. (Or, option b: this is *Norrington*, who can manage well enough on his own...)
- Won´t the Sparrington shippers have a field day over the two of them sharing the same branding? How close to a wedding ring can you get? ;D
SH

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 07:10:33 UTC

I know that all signs are towards "Norrington kicks the bucket in a heroical way", but - eh. I don't know. I can't really put the finger on it why this doesn't sound right to me, it just - doesn't. The last spoiler we had - "soldiers descend on Norrington" - was more of a proof to me that he will live and make a surprise appearance by the end of the movie than that he will die. In DMC, he turned up out of the blue and as a complete surprise as well. As long as I don't see the body, Sparky's alive, so nyah. I'm stubborn like that.

We don't know yet how Norrington perceives Cutler Beckett. Doese he know what he's like when he gives him Davy Jones' heart? I think not, and the moment he realises what he got himself into, he'd try to change the course of action.

Unrelated, but I've been wondering: Lt. Groves is now reporting "directly to Lord Cutler Beckett" - why? I mean, last thing we heard, he was in the Royal Navy. Did he follow Norrington? If so, why does he report to Cutler Beckett? Bzwuh? Did he like the colours of the EITC ( ... )

anonymous April 20 2007, 08:54:38 UTC

Well, if they really mean to tell us that POTC is a world in which a man like Norrington no longer has a place, I´d say he´s better off dead - and this fandom will be better off without me (since I´ll be off to write AU fic...). But the more they try to hit me over the head with his death, the less I believe it - I´m weird like that... As I´ve been saying for two years now, I´ll not give up on him (being a goody and alive) until the credits are through and the lights go on ( ... )

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 12:04:59 UTC

But the more they try to hit me over the head with his death, the less I believe it - I´m weird like that...

Agreed. I feel the same way (as you can probably tell, hehe!) The fandom (at least the little corner I'm playing in) has already brought James to safety. The outcome of the movies will have little influence on our perception of Norrington, I guess. Whether they kill him or make him King Of Jamaica - it won't change the way I see or write him.

Norrington has always been the middle-ground between the two extremes - the pirates and the greedy gits of the EITC. It would be very "undisneyish" to kill him off - and very stupid at that if they plan more sequels. That's also why I think Cutler Beckett will survive - he's too good a villain to kill him off.

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mrs_norrington April 19 2007, 18:50:39 UTC

You make sense, but I have to say that at this point anything that ends with Norrington alive is a plus.

I'll still ignore the sequels for the most part, but if I find out that's true, then it has some potential. Though I have to say that my heart will always lay with RoyalNavy!Norrington, where he aids the pirates because he's developed as a character enough to see the shades of gray. Pig excrement and rum, in my opinion, wasn't needed to do that.

*clears throat, blushes* Ranting? Me? Why would you think I'd do that? *g*

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 07:14:34 UTC

my heart will always lay with RoyalNavy!Norrington

Mine as well, without a doubt. I like Scruffington, but more in the direction of "he's dirty, good, we can write some fanfic about Gillette running a bath for him" way. The scruffisation of Norrington was my pet peeve with DMC, absolutely. It made no sense.

But there's an option for Norrington which we haven't considered yet: what if he will return to the Royal Navy...? What if we *think* he's dead after "the soldiers descend on him" and we'll see his surprise return as the man he initially was - Commodore Norrington? Just an idea, but not that impossible...

mrs_norrington April 20 2007, 11:58:24 UTC

"he's dirty, good, we can write some fanfic about Gillette running a bath for him"

LOL. Exactly

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 12:06:30 UTC

Hehe. Fanfic writers can find something positive in everything. That's why we have such an advantage over the non-writing part of the audience. They can only curse if they don't like the movie - we can rewrite it. More power to us! :-D

elessil April 19 2007, 19:04:33 UTC

Actually, there was something semi-official on Jack's history with the EIC on the website just before DMC got out, in one of the games.

Supposedly, Jack got an order to transfer slaves on a ship called (something, can't remember), and refused. So Beckett had him sunk. Then, Jack had Davey Jones "ressurect" the ship and renamed her Black Pearl.

So your theory on that is pretty close.

But James said that one chapter behind to Gibbs.

(though I'm hoping you're right about his surprise ending, I'm certainly hanging my hopes on that)

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 07:22:31 UTC

I'm not a gamer, so I didn't know that, but yay, I guessed right then! :)

But James said that one chapter behind to Gibbs.

Yes - but he says "one chapter behind yours" - yours can be "yours, Gibbs" or a general "yours, you bloody lot". Norrington knew Jack Sparrow before they first met. He had heard of him. I always took that chapter-remark as a general "you pirates" rather than "you, Gibbs".

I might think too complicated, but Gibbs seems to be some link between Sparrow and Norrington. He used to be in the navy, after all - there must have been a reason why he left (or was kicked out) and joined Sparrow's crew.

As I mentioned in a comment above, we shouldn't completely dismiss the possibility that Norrington will end up where he started: in the Royal Navy.

elessil April 20 2007, 08:53:45 UTC

I'm happy with just about anything, as long as it involves Norrington, y'know, LIVING. But yeah, i had the similar hope with the desceneding, posted about it too. I just hope that's not simply an "easy kid-book phrasing."

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 12:17:29 UTC

I just hope that's not simply an "easy kid-book phrasing."

I just can't believe that Disney would give out such a huge spoiler over a month before the opening of the movie. That's why I take the content of that book with a huge grain of salt - there's a reason the "adult" version won't be released but a day before the movie.

I'm in denial. Did you notice?

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ex_galadhir April 19 2007, 19:28:10 UTC

LOL! Unless it's just Beckett knowing the best way to *really* annoy Jack is to pretend not to recognise him at all. (An echo of where Norrington *does* recognise him and he's pleased about that.)

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 07:26:46 UTC

Aahaha! Yes, that would just be like Cutler Beckett, wouldn't it! But I really think he didn't recognise him because he changed so much. I imagine the non-piratey version of Jack Sparrow looking a bit like Johnny Depp in Sleepy Hollow...

The longer I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Norrington will "die" - or at least the audience will think he did - only to appear as a big surprise by the end of the movie. The whole "the soldiers descended on him" bit does not convince me of his death, on the contrary. We shouldn't give up on the navy yet... ;)

Spoilers in this comment ex_galadhir April 20 2007, 12:17:27 UTC

My problem is that I've seen a spoiler script, which has the whole story ( ... )

Re: Spoilers in this comment joyful_molly April 20 2007, 12:24:46 UTC

that the Navy will come along to arrest both damn sides!

You have NO idea how happy that would make me! :-D That's a fic which has to be written one day! *hintherearepenandpaper*

I don't think Norrington will return with a ship of the Royal Navy under his feet, but I am very much in denial do believe in the "unexpected return of James Norrington".

About that script: over the last months I have learned various surprising things about the way POTC is marketed; the studios are looking at the fandom closer than we think and in ways I've so far only experienced once (SG-1).

To be quite honest: I think we're being played with. Not just one fraction of the fandom, but all of us fans. Be it "Will is going to die" or "Keira doesn't want to do movie 4" or "Norrington dies" - I'll believe it when I see it.

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