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joyful_molly

AWE Spoiler: Cutler Beckett and Jack Sparrow

Apr 19, 2007 19:22

It's a very short clip, and not that spoilery itself, but I have a theory (also regarding Norrington) ...

( SHORT CLIP FROM MOVIE SURFERS - BEWARE YE SPOILERS! )

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anonymous April 19 2007, 18:20:37 UTC

I really like the way you think - particularly the "Norrington doesn´t die" bit... (I´m still holding out hope, too.)
But yes, I could also see Beckett branding him - we know what he´s like if he doesn´t get his way. And while I also don´t think James would ever really *end* up a pirate, I could see him ally with them as the "lesser evil" until Beckett is defeated. (Or, option b: this is *Norrington*, who can manage well enough on his own...)
- Won´t the Sparrington shippers have a field day over the two of them sharing the same branding? How close to a wedding ring can you get? ;D
SH

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 07:10:33 UTC

I know that all signs are towards "Norrington kicks the bucket in a heroical way", but - eh. I don't know. I can't really put the finger on it why this doesn't sound right to me, it just - doesn't. The last spoiler we had - "soldiers descend on Norrington" - was more of a proof to me that he will live and make a surprise appearance by the end of the movie than that he will die. In DMC, he turned up out of the blue and as a complete surprise as well. As long as I don't see the body, Sparky's alive, so nyah. I'm stubborn like that.

We don't know yet how Norrington perceives Cutler Beckett. Doese he know what he's like when he gives him Davy Jones' heart? I think not, and the moment he realises what he got himself into, he'd try to change the course of action.

Unrelated, but I've been wondering: Lt. Groves is now reporting "directly to Lord Cutler Beckett" - why? I mean, last thing we heard, he was in the Royal Navy. Did he follow Norrington? If so, why does he report to Cutler Beckett? Bzwuh? Did he like the colours of the EITC ( ... )

anonymous April 20 2007, 08:54:38 UTC

Well, if they really mean to tell us that POTC is a world in which a man like Norrington no longer has a place, I´d say he´s better off dead - and this fandom will be better off without me (since I´ll be off to write AU fic...). But the more they try to hit me over the head with his death, the less I believe it - I´m weird like that... As I´ve been saying for two years now, I´ll not give up on him (being a goody and alive) until the credits are through and the lights go on ( ... )

joyful_molly April 20 2007, 12:04:59 UTC

But the more they try to hit me over the head with his death, the less I believe it - I´m weird like that...

Agreed. I feel the same way (as you can probably tell, hehe!) The fandom (at least the little corner I'm playing in) has already brought James to safety. The outcome of the movies will have little influence on our perception of Norrington, I guess. Whether they kill him or make him King Of Jamaica - it won't change the way I see or write him.

Norrington has always been the middle-ground between the two extremes - the pirates and the greedy gits of the EITC. It would be very "undisneyish" to kill him off - and very stupid at that if they plan more sequels. That's also why I think Cutler Beckett will survive - he's too good a villain to kill him off.

ex_galadhir April 20 2007, 12:48:23 UTC

Unrelated, but I've been wondering: Lt. Groves is now reporting "directly to Lord Cutler Beckett" - why? I mean, last thing we heard, he was in the Royal Navy. Did he follow Norrington? If so, why does he report to Cutler Beckett? Bzwuh? Did he like the colours of the EITC uniforms?!?

Hee! I have this theory about Lt.Groves which is totally non-fanon, but makes sense to me. That is that Groves was always a Lieutenant on the Interceptor. We see Norrington talking to him while the Interceptor is being loaded, but we don't see him on the Dauntless during the rest of the film. I reckon his ship was the Interceptor, and when the Interceptor was stolen and destroyed, Groves ended up on shore on half-pay.

This explains why he was not in the Dauntless when she met the hurricane. And with no ship, in (presumably) peace time, a sea officer would be glad to get a berth with the merchant service, rather than rot on shore until war broke out again :)

joyful_molly April 22 2007, 20:37:07 UTC

That is that Groves was always a Lieutenant on the Interceptor.

Hey - that makes a lot of sense! I've never thought about it, but you're right! That would really explain why he's paid by the EITC now. Funny how fanon can become canon - if I'm not completely wrong, it's never mentioned that Gillette is 1st lieutenant, either.

An impressive list: in canon, Gillette is a lieutenant.

Thanks to fanon, he's been promoted to 1st lieutenant, beds the commodore, has red hair AND he even got a number of first names. I'd say the fans really did a good job to improve his life-situation!

ex_galadhir April 23 2007, 08:13:17 UTC

Well, I think that Gillette being 1st Lieutenant of the Dauntless is *supported by* canon - the fact that he's always at Norrington's side, except for those occassions where he's clearly been left in charge of the Dauntless in Norrington's absence. That indicates a second-in-command to me. (Or, if not that, then favouritism ;) )

And one has to assume he *has* a first name, though what that name is is clearly fanon.

The physical thing is interesting, not only because of the hair colour but because the film clearly sets Gillette up to look shorter than Norrington even though the actors are the same height. So is Gillette shorter or not? Woo... existential doubt ;)

joyful_molly April 24 2007, 23:47:42 UTC

Oh yes, "first lieutenant Gillette" is definitely not something that was just made up. It's the impression we get of him in the movies. That's why I never questioned it. Though, from my pov as a writer, there must be some sort of favouritism. ;-)

In my imagination, they're of the same height - "my" Gillette is not really a skinny guy, and looks physically stronger than Norrington. It would be fun to see the two standing next to each other as-is, without any camera tricks or boxes. The only pictures of Norrington that I can remember giving me some idea about his height were those promoshots where he stood next to Elizabeth, and I thought: huh. That's ONE tall guy!

He must have had serious problems aboard a ship - Collingwood was considered to be almost too tall at 1.78m!

ex_galadhir April 27 2007, 17:11:29 UTC

Yes, I remember that promo picture, with Norrington looking vastly taller than everyone. That made a big impression on me. But yes, I see Norrington as tall and slender, ever so slightly delicate, like a greyhound or a sword, while Gillette is equally tall, but bigger built. Mind you, I suspect that I'm interpolating later pictures of Damian onto that - some of the pictures on Greg Ellis' site of Damian from PotC show him as really quite lithe.

Heh, yes, they both must have cracked their heads a lot and suffered from terrible backache :)

joyful_molly April 29 2007, 21:45:23 UTC

Eveiya once mentioned that he looked like an elegant, lazy cat to her, and I quite agree with her. The "elegant" bit strikes it for me, I guess.

I've seen those pictures, I guess that's the reason why I still have a mental image of Damian as hardly 20 years old! :-D It's difficult to tell with him though how he really looks like; every picture is different. One thing's for sure: I wouldn't know that man on the street. :)

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