Lots of thinky thoughts

[theron09]

Hey guys :)

Well, I've got another day of revising ahead of me but I don't even mind because it'll all be over for a while by lunch time tomorrow! I'm actually still feeling quite confident about this exam which is strange because I'm usually feeling nervous by this point. I don't know, I just feel like this exam is much easier than the one I did

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[ai_kizu]

Hope your exam goes well tomorrow! I have one tomorrow afternoon and then one of Wednesday. Ahhhhh ;_;.

I ship Sam/Dean pre-Stanford. I think that no matter how much he loved Dean he had to get out to try and get the life he wanted. I think he went through complete cut off, pretty much went cold turkey on Dean. He then met Jess so it made it easier on him. I think he kept it a secret. I also think a thing to note about the heaven flashbacks is that they seemed to be when Sam was still young and things he couldn't have with John around like Thanksgiving and a pet. I feel unlike Dean Sam hadn't focused so much on family, but more himself. However, I don't think that makes him selfish because Sam and Dean's relationship is extremely unhealthy.

I have to get back to revision or I'd write more. I've been so out of Sam/Dean pairingness though ;_;.

[theron09]

Thanks :D I hope yours go well, too :D Good luck!

Yeah, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I don't think it was selfish of him to go to Stanford because he had a right to have the life he wanted to have. I just think there whole situation was so messed up and that's what makes it all complicated.

Yes, revise! Sorry for distracting you :D

[ai_kizu]

This turned long, and some parts may be inaccurate due to lack of watching eps

[theron09]

Yeah, John's role is really important - I like him but I think that if he had been less stubborn then Sam could have gone to Stanford and stayed in touch. But then, I get that he just wanted to protect his sons and he couldn't keep watch over Sam the whole time if he went away.

I think Sam realised it when he was a bit older too, and I'd definitely wondered about whether Zachariah had messed around with their Heaven (the whole thing with Mary in that episode always made me think that.)

How did your exam go today?

[melodious329]

I don't exactly watch shows and 'ship' persons, I ship as in I like to read fics about how to get together two characters I find hot and interesting. But even in the first episode when Eliot was speaking to Nate over the pool table and Nate brushes him off with 'we're not friends'. Thou protesteth too much, lol. Eliot seems the second in command and they obviously have chemistry and care for one another

[theron09]

Yeah, I rewatched the first episode the other day and I definitely saw the chemistry there - for Eliot to actually reach out and try to talk to Nate was a huge thing, whether it's for them as a pairing or them as friends/part of a team.

Thanks so much for the links! I'm definitely going to check them out tomorrow once I've done my last exam.

I personally don't think Sam's leaving was selfish, although I can see why Dean and John as characters might think that.

I think that way of writing Sam is really interesting - it makes the heaven episode make more sense, the idea that maybe it's not that he doesn't care or whatever, just that he takes what he actually has/had for granted.

[melodious329]

Eliot also falls in a strange realm between the adults and kids

[theron09]

Yeah, that's true about Eliot.

I really like your interpretations of the show - the ideas about challenging the viewpoints makes a lot of sense when I think about the show.

I think the whole history and dynamics of the family are interesting - I'd love to see the show explore it even more. I think there's a lot of room to expand on Sam's motives for leaving etc.

[non_timebo_mala]

For me I've always gone with the Stanford thing being that Sam wanted to start something with his brother [Dean did too], but Dean felt too guilty about it and just couldnt bring himself to do it, especially at Sam's age. So Sam probably got tired of wanting Dean and knowing he wants him back but they still won't do anything about it, on top of that John and all his fucked up ways. I just think he left to escape knowing he would see Dean again some day and hoping things would work out; maybe he was hoping in his absence it would make 'the heart grow fonder' or something. But in reality I don't think he left BECAUSE of Dean, to get away from him; it pained him to not be able to have him but in the end it was because of John that he left and not because of his brother [whom we know he loves more than anything

[theron09]

Well, your head canon certainly makes sense :) I definitely don't think he left because of Dean, I think it must have killed him to leave him. And I see your point about Sam and John (although I have a bit of a soft spot for John!) Your theory about Dean feeling guilty/like he had to be responsible is something that we tossed around yesterday and I think it's very possible, just as I think that Sam wouldn't want to make Dean have to choose between his Dad and his brother.

I think that, as well as the problems he had with John, it's also about him doing what he wants to do with his life - at that point in the timeline, he wants to go to Stanford and he wants the whole normal life thing, you know?

I can totally imagine him asking Dean to go with him, though (even though I just said he wouldn't want to make him choose!) You know, it'd be awesome to see a flashback to that in the show because JDM could come back :D Or maybe even some sort of confrontation between Sam and Dean where they talk about the night - the motives etc.

[yourkidney]

I don't really ship them pre-Stanford. I think they were extremely codependent, and I think they maybe thought about it occasionally, but I think Dean needed those threeish years for any feelings to fester as he missed Sam and put him up on a pedestal in his absence.

I think it was selfish for Sam to leave as he did, and perfectly reasonable for Dean to be bitter about it. Sam could have handled it more gracefully. Granted, he was only 18, but there could have been a better outcome where he went to college on a slightly different note.

Good luck on your exam!! :)

[theron09]

Hmm, yeah, that's a different way of looking at it - like the three years or so were the point where Dean realised how he felt.

I kind of agree with you there - I don't think it was selfish of Sam to go to Stanford because he had a right to his own life etc but I think he could have handled it better - stayed in touch with Dean, made his intentions clear earlier or whatever.

Thank you!

[theron09]

Thanks :D It went really, really well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!