long comment ahead (I have a day off)marsykeMarch 13 2015, 08:41:10 UTC
I don't know if success in another club in another league means that that other league is weaker. Bentenke scored more goals in his first season in the Premier League than in his last season in the Belgian league. Doesn't mean that the Belgian league is more difficult
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Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 09:09:12 UTC
Yeah, I think Carragher has a point as well in terms of clubs and managers throwing money at a problem hoping that it will be fixed, shades of Tottenham Hotspur when they got the money for Bale - and bought a hodgepodge of talents that haven't worked (same for Liverpool, to be fair), which is why Spurs seem to be a pretty exciting team at the moment, with Pochettino focusing on an identity, style of play and academy talent (mix of English and homegrown players) instead of spending more money and ending up with players on the wage bill who can't play for various reasons. Not all managers are Jose Mourinho, and not all clubs are Chelsea who know their horseflesh, so to speak.
Newcastle has it easy. They got twice as much tv money as Bayern München last season, twice as much as PSG, Valencia and Atletico and the same as Juventus. Of course the money in the Europa League looks insignificant compared to that. Pretty much, it's really a case of why bother, and Europa was seen as an also ran and a lesser tournament. The attitude towards
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RE: Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)marsykeMarch 13 2015, 09:43:07 UTC
Haha no problem (I have time to read). I agree with most of what you say. It's probably the journalists more than the coaches who underestimate European opposition.
Only 6 English teams qualified for the CL in the past decade or so. For most English clubs, the EL is the most realistic way of qualifying for the CL but the way is long and hard. And difficult to fit in with the various cups and the league. Basically you'd have to get rid of a cup or only allow teams that are not qualified for Europe; that would give other clubs the chance to win it too (Portsmouth and Wigan are the only not-CL playing teams that won in the past 10 years). For the League Cup Swansea and Birmingham are the odd ones). It probably won't be popular with the big clubs but it would be nice, I think.
The trouble between the UEFA and FA is indeed making things more difficult that's for sure.
Re: RE: Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 10:04:43 UTC
There's one cup that sponsorship is gone a begging (I want to say League Cup), I'd get rid of that and keep the FA cup, since it's stepped in history and it covers non leagues as well as the league (whereas the capital cup or whatever is named now is league teams only). With more matches in 2016, I'm warming up to a suggestion that you made a couple of months ago, re: dropping 20 teams to 18. With an extra match day come 2016, 20 teams is too much. You'd have to go from about twenty five squad players to thirty and rotate to have an even chance of winning something
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re: 'top teams in their respective leagues' - meaning, teams currently #1 in their leagues? because otherwise, fuck whoever chose benfica in portugal. /yes, i'm mad.
wow, the salah / serie a article is one of the biggest piles of bullshit i've read lately. yeah, completely disregard technical & playing style differences in both leagues + player progress as a regular starter, why don't you. and if the epl is the be-all and end-all of the football world, why are english teams crashing out of europe one by one?
gahh boo, you deleted your comment. jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 09:23:55 UTC
wow, the salah / serie a article is one of the biggest piles of bullshit i've read lately. yeah, completely disregard technical & playing style differences in both leagues + player progress as a regular starter, why don't you. and if the epl is be-all and end-all of the football world, why are english teams crashing out of europe one by one?
LOL a question for the ages. I just remember how Jozy Altitdore was supernova in the Eredivisie and came to the PL and only got one goal with Sunderland the entire time he's been here, then went to MLS and seems to have started off well. It's just different leagues play up the different aspects of a player's style. Or it could be various tactics that suit Salah, or even the cliché of confidence. Salah is getting first team minutes and a coach who seems to believe in him, whereas Mourinho seemed to malign him on the sidelines
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Re: gahh boo, you deleted your comment.jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 10:26:53 UTC
Yeah, Guardiola really brought about a sea change with his positional football. He took Cryuff's ideas, distilled them and had the fortune of having intelligent game savvy players (short supply, them, never as much as you'd think!), and what with Mourinho's Real Madrid and such, it made for magic, during that period of 2009-2011 that's for sure.
I think English coaches/ teams saw that and something got lost in the translation. I look at Brendan Rodgers LFC and see what he's trying to do, and come away as him not seeing the entire picture. Yeah, LFC is doing well, I'm not going to deny that, and okay Anfield's pitch isn't what it should be I'm not going to deny that either - but something is lost in the translation
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Lmfaoooo at Everton being England's only hope. They so coulda scored more last night but they did pretty good, they did win. Hope they do on the 2nd leg too
Lmao those Chelsea babies even david luiz mom posted a pic of mou and called him a baby
LOL, I know, right?jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 10:45:06 UTC
Lmfaoooo at Everton being England's only hope.
Crying and laughing over here. More crying than laughing though. The further they place, the higher our coefficient is; but next year is do or die. If our teams stumble at the gate of the first round, come 2016 we'll just have three places. Considering the aim has always been top 4, especially now that Champions League is putting some SERIOUS COIN behind the romance, there's a lot of palpitations going on.
Oy, Chelsea, they really spat their dummies with this one. I'm sure Mourinho and his cohorts will go on to win the league so they can do this again next year.
RE: I live for your notes <3jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 11:00:00 UTC
And I cannot with Jose saying that City has to win with Barca to save the face of English football, that's not gonna happen.
Jajajaja. Mou kills me.
Gahhh, Man City. I know that Pelligrini is under pressure - five trophies in five years, and it's well known that Man City's board crave European success in football. But their team is old, they don't give players time to bed in, and the players that they flog for a loss tend to boss up in their new leagues (Boateng and Naswhatever- on my phone, can't check) because they got training and such. They've spent all that money on the academy, have Patrick Vieria with the EDS (Elite Development Squad or some poncy name like that) and yet academy players can't see a pathway to get in. It's a strange state of affairs over in Manchester City at the moment.
RE: I live for your notes <3marsykeMarch 13 2015, 11:17:54 UTC
LMAO
Well it's always possible, it's football after all but I think Barca is too good now. But stranger things have happened so I wouldn't rule it out completely. Yet. The fact that Messi missed that penalty means that they have a better chance, I think.
This is like the reunion episodes they have on the Real Housewives. Xabi confronts Stevie and Superflop about their bromance and Carra can be like Andy Cohen XD
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Newcastle has it easy. They got twice as much tv money as Bayern München last season, twice as much as PSG, Valencia and Atletico and the same as Juventus. Of course the money in the Europa League looks insignificant compared to that. Pretty much, it's really a case of why bother, and Europa was seen as an also ran and a lesser tournament. The attitude towards ( ... )
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Only 6 English teams qualified for the CL in the past decade or so. For most English clubs, the EL is the most realistic way of qualifying for the CL but the way is long and hard. And difficult to fit in with the various cups and the league. Basically you'd have to get rid of a cup or only allow teams that are not qualified for Europe; that would give other clubs the chance to win it too (Portsmouth and Wigan are the only not-CL playing teams that won in the past 10 years). For the League Cup Swansea and Birmingham are the odd ones). It probably won't be popular with the big clubs but it would be nice, I think.
The trouble between the UEFA and FA is indeed making things more difficult that's for sure.
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wow, the salah / serie a article is one of the biggest piles of bullshit i've read lately. yeah, completely disregard technical & playing style differences in both leagues + player progress as a regular starter, why don't you. and if the epl is the be-all and end-all of the football world, why are english teams crashing out of europe one by one?
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LOL a question for the ages. I just remember how Jozy Altitdore was supernova in the Eredivisie and came to the PL and only got one goal with Sunderland the entire time he's been here, then went to MLS and seems to have started off well. It's just different leagues play up the different aspects of a player's style. Or it could be various tactics that suit Salah, or even the cliché of confidence. Salah is getting first team minutes and a coach who seems to believe in him, whereas Mourinho seemed to malign him on the sidelines ( ... )
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I think English coaches/ teams saw that and something got lost in the translation. I look at Brendan Rodgers LFC and see what he's trying to do, and come away as him not seeing the entire picture. Yeah, LFC is doing well, I'm not going to deny that, and okay Anfield's pitch isn't what it should be I'm not going to deny that either - but something is lost in the translation ( ... )
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Lmao those Chelsea babies even david luiz mom posted a pic of mou and called him a baby
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Crying and laughing over here. More crying than laughing though. The further they place, the higher our coefficient is; but next year is do or die. If our teams stumble at the gate of the first round, come 2016 we'll just have three places. Considering the aim has always been top 4, especially now that Champions League is putting some SERIOUS COIN behind the romance, there's a lot of palpitations going on.
Oy, Chelsea, they really spat their dummies with this one. I'm sure Mourinho and his cohorts will go on to win the league so they can do this again next year.
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Jajajaja. Mou kills me.
Gahhh, Man City. I know that Pelligrini is under pressure - five trophies in five years, and it's well known that Man City's board crave European success in football. But their team is old, they don't give players time to bed in, and the players that they flog for a loss tend to boss up in their new leagues (Boateng and Naswhatever- on my phone, can't check) because they got training and such. They've spent all that money on the academy, have Patrick Vieria with the EDS (Elite Development Squad or some poncy name like that) and yet academy players can't see a pathway to get in. It's a strange state of affairs over in Manchester City at the moment.
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and lol again, i love city but theyre gonna lose. poor guys never had a chance :'(
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Well it's always possible, it's football after all but I think Barca is too good now. But stranger things have happened so I wouldn't rule it out completely. Yet. The fact that Messi missed that penalty means that they have a better chance, I think.
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It will be fantastic to be back at Anfield and meet a lot of friends. Thx Gerrard for the invite @LFC #LFCAllStars pic.twitter.com/6kiozqnsTu
- Fernando Torres (@Torres) 13 maart 2015
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