long comment ahead (I have a day off)marsykeMarch 13 2015, 08:41:10 UTC
I don't know if success in another club in another league means that that other league is weaker. Bentenke scored more goals in his first season in the Premier League than in his last season in the Belgian league. Doesn't mean that the Belgian league is more difficult
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Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 09:09:12 UTC
Yeah, I think Carragher has a point as well in terms of clubs and managers throwing money at a problem hoping that it will be fixed, shades of Tottenham Hotspur when they got the money for Bale - and bought a hodgepodge of talents that haven't worked (same for Liverpool, to be fair), which is why Spurs seem to be a pretty exciting team at the moment, with Pochettino focusing on an identity, style of play and academy talent (mix of English and homegrown players) instead of spending more money and ending up with players on the wage bill who can't play for various reasons. Not all managers are Jose Mourinho, and not all clubs are Chelsea who know their horseflesh, so to speak.
Newcastle has it easy. They got twice as much tv money as Bayern München last season, twice as much as PSG, Valencia and Atletico and the same as Juventus. Of course the money in the Europa League looks insignificant compared to that. Pretty much, it's really a case of why bother, and Europa was seen as an also ran and a lesser tournament. The attitude towards
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RE: Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)marsykeMarch 13 2015, 09:43:07 UTC
Haha no problem (I have time to read). I agree with most of what you say. It's probably the journalists more than the coaches who underestimate European opposition.
Only 6 English teams qualified for the CL in the past decade or so. For most English clubs, the EL is the most realistic way of qualifying for the CL but the way is long and hard. And difficult to fit in with the various cups and the league. Basically you'd have to get rid of a cup or only allow teams that are not qualified for Europe; that would give other clubs the chance to win it too (Portsmouth and Wigan are the only not-CL playing teams that won in the past 10 years). For the League Cup Swansea and Birmingham are the odd ones). It probably won't be popular with the big clubs but it would be nice, I think.
The trouble between the UEFA and FA is indeed making things more difficult that's for sure.
Re: RE: Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 10:04:43 UTC
There's one cup that sponsorship is gone a begging (I want to say League Cup), I'd get rid of that and keep the FA cup, since it's stepped in history and it covers non leagues as well as the league (whereas the capital cup or whatever is named now is league teams only). With more matches in 2016, I'm warming up to a suggestion that you made a couple of months ago, re: dropping 20 teams to 18. With an extra match day come 2016, 20 teams is too much. You'd have to go from about twenty five squad players to thirty and rotate to have an even chance of winning something
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RE: Re: RE: Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)marsykeMarch 13 2015, 10:18:09 UTC
England and France have a very long history of trouble between them. Guess it won't ever go well. Here on the continent they sometimes think that the Brits like to do difficult because there are back on their island anyway, here we all sit on top of each other.
There is now a new youth competition, the Youth League. The youth teams of the CL group participants play each other like in the group stage of the big competition. (which means off course, the big teams get in once again). After the group stage, it goes on in one-leg ties. It gets a bit of attention here because Anderlecht beat Bvb, Arsenal and Barcelona and are now in the quarters.
RE: Re: long comment ahead (I have a day off)chrysaMarch 13 2015, 15:26:28 UTC
Well, one thing money certainly doesn't buy -- not experience :P -- is chemistry. I think this is most apparent in Utd this season. Bringing in a World Class manager, and throwing stupid money at World Class players can't make them play well together in a system that's not suited to them. I mean the fact that they are winning is a sign that are class, but the fact that they're playing ugly, horrible, inconsistent football really shows that lack of chemistry.
though the one funny note I saw: Chelsea losing to PSG is all a Conspiracy to keep Arsenal from their rightful (aka contractually obligated) qualification for UCL football hahaha.
RE: long comment ahead (I have a day off)chrysaMarch 13 2015, 15:19:06 UTC
Not that anyone ever underestimates Arsenal, but I'm wondering now if some of the consistency has to do with the fact that Wenger had to sell the best players each season, rely on youth, and being very tactical about what players he could bring in, and what positions could be filled by youth. TBH, that's not an uncommon model for most teams that can't just buy whatever the fuck they want. Schalke and BVB for example. Grow Your Own Talent also has the benefit of everyone being coached from a young age to the same style and developing the same chemistry with your teammates. Like when Alexis came in, a lot of people were pointing out that his playing style sort of contrasted with the system Wenger set up and it took a while for it to mold back into what Wenger wanted. But he's a headline signing, and yeah.
But the soccernomics trickle down economy is super weird.
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Newcastle has it easy. They got twice as much tv money as Bayern München last season, twice as much as PSG, Valencia and Atletico and the same as Juventus. Of course the money in the Europa League looks insignificant compared to that. Pretty much, it's really a case of why bother, and Europa was seen as an also ran and a lesser tournament. The attitude towards ( ... )
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Only 6 English teams qualified for the CL in the past decade or so. For most English clubs, the EL is the most realistic way of qualifying for the CL but the way is long and hard. And difficult to fit in with the various cups and the league. Basically you'd have to get rid of a cup or only allow teams that are not qualified for Europe; that would give other clubs the chance to win it too (Portsmouth and Wigan are the only not-CL playing teams that won in the past 10 years). For the League Cup Swansea and Birmingham are the odd ones). It probably won't be popular with the big clubs but it would be nice, I think.
The trouble between the UEFA and FA is indeed making things more difficult that's for sure.
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There is now a new youth competition, the Youth League. The youth teams of the CL group participants play each other like in the group stage of the big competition. (which means off course, the big teams get in once again). After the group stage, it goes on in one-leg ties. It gets a bit of attention here because Anderlecht beat Bvb, Arsenal and Barcelona and are now in the quarters.
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though the one funny note I saw: Chelsea losing to PSG is all a Conspiracy to keep Arsenal from their rightful (aka contractually obligated) qualification for UCL football hahaha.
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You are right though, chemistry nowhere to be found. It's a shame because some players are better than
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But the soccernomics trickle down economy is super weird.
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