Re: gahh boo, you deleted your comment.jazzypomMarch 13 2015, 10:26:53 UTC
Yeah, Guardiola really brought about a sea change with his positional football. He took Cryuff's ideas, distilled them and had the fortune of having intelligent game savvy players (short supply, them, never as much as you'd think!), and what with Mourinho's Real Madrid and such, it made for magic, during that period of 2009-2011 that's for sure.
I think English coaches/ teams saw that and something got lost in the translation. I look at Brendan Rodgers LFC and see what he's trying to do, and come away as him not seeing the entire picture. Yeah, LFC is doing well, I'm not going to deny that, and okay Anfield's pitch isn't what it should be I'm not going to deny that either - but something is lost in the translation.
The reason why it hit me has been the tussle with Sam Allardyce and his troubles with West Ham. When he came in, Alldardyce's remit was to stop the rot with West Ham, yeah? So he did, with traditional English tactics. The games were heavily defensive, long balls, etc (the play that Mourinho sniffed at and called '19th century football') he wasn't leaking goals but the supporters wanted spectacle and the board gave him the directive that they wanted that kind of football too. Allardyce brought in Teddy Sheringham as a strike coach to meet the directive. On one hand, yeah, I like watching West Ham, but on the other hand, something is lost when you do that. I just think that the coaches and board directors et al just mistranslated Guardiola and 'the Spanish way'. They ignore the positional discipline of Spanish teams, and rely on individual brilliance of the players Roy of the Rovers style.
Strangely, the hybrid I think English football wants might be what Pochettino (an Argentine coach) is trying to do? If he got Spurs' defence sorted (and finish finessing a plan B- I believe in you, Poch!), I think that might be the perfect template. I know that's why I've been watching him closely since September last year. I thought it amusing that Spurs were drowning in the PL but getting through Europe. I really think if Pochettino had the players that he wanted (he likes the players young and hungry and fighting) he'd have still been in Europa. I'm watching Pochettino with interest because he's young enough in the coaching game to change his viewpoints, and him coming from La Liga to the PL has been interesting to me, tbh.
I think they should bring back decent defending in the PL again, tbh. But to be fair, football comes in cycles. I'm sure they'll come around to defending again.
RE: Re: gahh boo, you deleted your comment.marsykeMarch 13 2015, 11:09:09 UTC
Lol they definitely will. New coaches will find new solutions. Spurs are an interesting team that's for sure, if only they could indeed find a good balance between defense and attack.
I think English coaches/ teams saw that and something got lost in the translation. I look at Brendan Rodgers LFC and see what he's trying to do, and come away as him not seeing the entire picture. Yeah, LFC is doing well, I'm not going to deny that, and okay Anfield's pitch isn't what it should be I'm not going to deny that either - but something is lost in the translation.
The reason why it hit me has been the tussle with Sam Allardyce and his troubles with West Ham. When he came in, Alldardyce's remit was to stop the rot with West Ham, yeah? So he did, with traditional English tactics. The games were heavily defensive, long balls, etc (the play that Mourinho sniffed at and called '19th century football') he wasn't leaking goals but the supporters wanted spectacle and the board gave him the directive that they wanted that kind of football too. Allardyce brought in Teddy Sheringham as a strike coach to meet the directive. On one hand, yeah, I like watching West Ham, but on the other hand, something is lost when you do that. I just think that the coaches and board directors et al just mistranslated Guardiola and 'the Spanish way'. They ignore the positional discipline of Spanish teams, and rely on individual brilliance of the players Roy of the Rovers style.
Strangely, the hybrid I think English football wants might be what Pochettino (an Argentine coach) is trying to do? If he got Spurs' defence sorted (and finish finessing a plan B- I believe in you, Poch!), I think that might be the perfect template. I know that's why I've been watching him closely since September last year. I thought it amusing that Spurs were drowning in the PL but getting through Europe. I really think if Pochettino had the players that he wanted (he likes the players young and hungry and fighting) he'd have still been in Europa. I'm watching Pochettino with interest because he's young enough in the coaching game to change his viewpoints, and him coming from La Liga to the PL has been interesting to me, tbh.
I think they should bring back decent defending in the PL again, tbh. But to be fair, football comes in cycles. I'm sure they'll come around to defending again.
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