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Feb 28, 2011 09:47

Discussion Post 8
February 13th: Icicle Inn - Junon

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oddacious February 28 2011, 15:04:11 UTC
I suck and didn't get to the other post in time, so here's some wordswordswords ( ... )

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basilton February 28 2011, 18:06:20 UTC
I think she knew.

Oh, definitely. Maybe she didn't know exactly how it was going to happen, but she knew that a sacrifice had to be made.

In this section I feel so fucking terrible for Tifa because everything is just falling apart. Unlike Cloud she really is powerless to stop any of it - not that I fault Cloud for breaking down when he did. But we see him grieve openly for Aeris and he's had an endless amount of I-have-to-settle-the-score speeches and Tifa, Tifa doesn't talk, to the point that it's almost surprising (but not really) when she pops up saying she wants to be a part of everything.It really starts off with Tifa trying to quietly support Cloud from the background, and deferring to him like the other party members, but she slowly realises - though at a pace too slow to help Cloud before he gives Sephiroth the black materia - that she needs to start pushing Cloud in the right direction, and even briefly becomes a leader in her own right ( ... )

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firemelon March 1 2011, 20:39:49 UTC
I think so too; I never really viewed them as mechas.

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asylumiss February 28 2011, 18:55:55 UTC
I feel so bad for Tifa too. I remember when they're all gathered in the ghost hotel and she's trying to comfort Red XIII who's afraid he's going to go mad because Hojo gave him a tattoo (I feel bad for him too, poor guy), she tells him to stay strong and then has to get a little tougher when he's still doubting himself. SHE'S DOING HER BEST GUYS.

I really need to pick up the pace today, I'm still not at the end of disc 1 yet.

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elanor_pam February 28 2011, 19:43:06 UTC
Cloud's breakdown is the saddest, most hearbreaking thing in the whole world. When Cloud tells Tifa "I hope you find the real Cloud someday"... it slays me every time. Even after everything that happened, he still has this notion that somewhere out there is a man who's everything he isn't and who'll protect Tifa the way he wanted to. I just... *sob ( ... )

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oddacious February 28 2011, 20:56:30 UTC
Agree with point one and not point two. Put another way: why would a lovecraftian horror give a fuck about revenge? Their plans are above and beyond one measly little trooper.

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elanor_pam February 28 2011, 21:49:26 UTC
Because Jenova is a Lovecraftian Horror, but Sephiroth is just a megalomaniac lunatic. And Sephiroth is the one calling the shots, not Jenova. True, he thinks she's his mommy, but it's little different from a poor, crazy sod who thinks his body pillow is his girlfriend, and holds all sorts of conversations with it - his own mind providing "her" side of the interactions. At least this is my own interpretation of their "interaction": their connection allows Sephiroth to order/send pieces of Jenova to fight the heroes, but it only means his self-delusion would appear that much more realistic if he were puppeting her without noticing ( ... )

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oddacious February 28 2011, 22:39:04 UTC
Put simply, because Cloud is the only minion he's got that can get the job done. Look at the other Sephiroth clones as they enter the crater - they're dying, they aren't strong enough. Cloud hates Sephiroth so much that half the work of the call is done for him. He doesn't have to completely forfeit his mind and consciousness to answer the Reunion, and an intelligent lackey is way more useful than, say, a child experiment unleashed on the world.

The end of Aeris' death scene to here are about the only times he bothers addressing Cloud short of tossing him some instructions, and it's a purposeful address. He goes completely silent after this. There isn't even any more of Sephiroth's will impressed on him, as far as anybody can tell.

I'm willing to keep arguing it but I think they're both plausible, which probably means agreeing to disagree on this one.

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Part 1 of 2? personasystem March 1 2011, 11:05:19 UTC
So I'm going to do this in two parts to make it easier and a little clearer ( ... )

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Re: Part 1 of 2? teekoness March 2 2011, 05:18:25 UTC
Well later on on the final trip to the Crater, on one of the paths you find what looks like ruins of a Cetra city so your idea is quite plausible.

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Part 2 of 2 personasystem March 1 2011, 11:18:25 UTC
Aaaand then we have the crater proper. Oh boy. Sephiroth is busy killing some clones here, and he teleports about crazily and makes a few speeches as we head towards the center of the swirly ring. Jenova actually was about a hundred times easier for me to beat then that two-headed dragon at the end of Gaea's Cliff ( ... )

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Re: Part 2 of 2 teekoness March 3 2011, 03:40:45 UTC
Flashback time with Tifa! She goes to the train station and Cloud is there, presumably drooling and mumbling and collapsed on the ground. As soon as Tifa arrives and starts interacting with him he stands up and switches to his Cool Guy pose and acts like nothing is wrong. And then, as soon as Tifa turns her back on him he freaks and starts shaking and grabbing his head. She suggests the Avalanche job to him to keep him close, because she heard that he's "going far away." Where is he going? To the Reunion maybe

At this point he really strikes me as being just like that clone you find in the sewage pipe, but that bit about 'going far away' I never noticed that.

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Part 1 teekoness March 3 2011, 03:33:07 UTC
A somewhat horrible thought came to me yesterday. Is it possible Cloud may have led Sephiroth to Aeris? Not a pleasant thought indeed ( ... )

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Re: Part 1 oddacious March 3 2011, 19:17:10 UTC
Very possible. Why else did she survive so long?

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Re: Part 1 teekoness March 5 2011, 02:27:56 UTC
Either that or she's ridiculously lucky and that's why she got in. *has the crazy urge to write 'The Many Hilarious and Awkward Near-misses of Elena the Turk*

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