Faction Politics

[redikolous]

I'm writing a fanfic, and I want to know some details on faction politics and relations? Like little particulars. I get the intra-faction prejudice, somewhat (mostly the blatant belf-undead versus tauren-orc etc), but I would like stuff on how racial leaders feel towards racial leaders. Besides Thrall/Jaina, since I'm looking for intra lol. Are

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[klrmnky]

Well, the Horde have a lot more going on than the Alliance

[halogin]

Re: Blood Elves--
Despite the overwhelming population of blood elves on RP servers (I add to that myself, because I love me some belves), the race itself was very much decimated after the Scourge invasion, and then losing more to Kael'thas' madness, and mana addiction (hello Wretched!), and some who turned "traitor" (that is, refused to join their brethren in turning to the Horde for help, and/or nomming fel energy to ease the magic withdrawal symptoms)...well, it's only sensible that Lor'themar would want to try to focus on matters more immediately home if at all possible instead of sending cannon fodder out for Garrosh's overambitious striving in Kalimdor, and especially after the Northrend stuff. So I don't think it's quite as...heartless as implied here, tbh. I would think the more insular tendencies of Quel'thalas are more from practicality and necessity for rebuilding/protecting the people than from them having a "couldn't care less" attitude about the outside world/Horde.
This is a very tenacious race, a people who will survive

[redikolous]

Wow this is pretty amazing and is def going to have some background in my story. Like right there you got one person who's dismissive of Loth'Remar and another who defends him, that's really cool.

I like stuff like this in RP discussions and in the game itself. I mean, not even just Conflict Ball mess but actual distrust that would happen after quick assimilation. When Cata first dropped, it felt like my parents were fighting or something (metaphorically). But now, I really like it. It contributes to the nuance of the world, where before it was, [RacialLeader] shouts down to his people, "THESE ARE ALSO MY PEOPLE!" and basically they're like, "ALL RIGHT!!" I mean, if a bovine people joined us tomorrow, I'd be like WTF THEY'RE LIKE COWS OR SOMETHING. Even if I had fought for them. What about living habits? Ways of life? Etc.?

[denialgreen]

Additionally, iirc feeling like they were canon fodder was one of the reasons Kael'thas decided to join up with Lady Vashj rather than assist the Alliance.

[sian_shoe]

^this. Also I reckon Sylvanas has something on Lor'themar and has power over the Blood Elves, for them to get into line so very easily when she calls it.

In regards to Sylvanas, I reccomend getting an Undead to 15 and doing the quests in Silverpine/Brill/starter area, as it speaks a lot of what she is aiming for.

Garrosh hates her, and is looking for a reason to see her go. Thrall trusted her to a point; strategically the Horde are boned without Sylvanas, as she holds a lot of land on the Eastern Kingdoms.

[sodzilla]

Well, that depends - what are the advantages to the Horde of holding land in the Eastern Kingdoms? It's not as though the Forsaken lands produce anything that anyone but the Forsaken can use, so I doubt it's about supply lines to either the blood elves or the Dragonmaw.

I honestly think right now the Forsaken are more of a liability to the Horde, and that's WITHOUT considering the fact Sylvanas intends to stab ALL the living in the back ASAP.

[manicmarsupial]

Well I suppose one definite advantage is that what the Horde has the Alliance doesn't. Don't forget that the EK is where the Blood Elves live too. If the Forsaken left or were killed or turned against the Horde Silvermoon would be destroyed and either taken over by the Alliance or Forsaken.

[sodzilla]

That's kind of what I meant above; normally denying the Alliance resources would be a good enough reason, but there's nothing coming out of the Forsaken lands that the living can use, and it's not as though the Forsaken are going to go back to the Alliance if the Horde kicks them out.

And I think the elves could defend themselves pretty well, given they're behind a wall of mountains. Plus as I noted, I don't think the relationship between the Forsaken and the elves will stay close in any case.

[sodzilla]

Horde

[sodzilla]

- Ditto for the draenei, though they at least seem to trust and work with the night elves to some extent, and I don't think it's a matter of them being isolationist so much as not having had time to adapt and the other races thinking they're weird. Still, they're culturally and geographically VERY isolated.

- The Gilneans... NEED the Alliance very badly right now, but are not naturally well disposed to needing anything or anyone. I think they like the nelves better than they like Stormwind, simply because they'd probably have an easier time asking for help from complete outsiders than being weak in front of people who last saw them in a position of strength.

(I exceeded the comment limits. Nature's way of saying I talk too much, I guess.)

[redikolous]

This is really interesting!

As for Thrall and Gallywix, I think that maybe Thrall had some modicum of regard for the goblins, but Garrosh does not have the regard for them AND distrusts Gallywix.

[paxnirvana]

Thrall's only mistake with Gallywix was letting him live. *sigh* The goblins go for money in a leader (Trade Prince) - it buys loyalty. And unfortunately, you as a new goblin player helped fund Gallywix's continuation in power.

I don't see him as Thrall's explicit choice for the Horde-faction of goblins leader, but Thrall was definitely a little too distracted at that time -- what with the whole world being torn apart and all --, still he really should have offed him instead. *sigh*

My money's still on Her Tallness stepping up and taking over the Bilgewater Cartel sometime in the future... *^_^*

[deadbang]

Actually, WoW Insider's Know Your Lore (pops) did a really awesome series about the politics within the Horde.

[redikolous]

I am all up in thiiis thank you!

[cloverwhite]

Well everyone's said more than I could, but as far as a I know with the relationship of Vol'jin/trolls and the tauren; There is a mention of Cairne's death in Vol'jin's recent short story. It's only a vision given to his younger self then, but it does mention that he feels pain and loss at Cairne's death. It makes me thing that the trolls and the tauren have a friendly relationship. (or that at least, Vol'jin doesn't hate them and the trolls really have no reason to dislike the tauren.)

[redikolous]

Makes me wish there was more intra-conflict between the races tbh. :/ Even if it were minor unease.

[cloverwhite]

Well the tauren are the only ones that the trolls seem to potentially have a good relationship at the moment. I doubt they like the Goblin's destructive ways. (You take a quest from what I think is a Darkspear troll in Stranglethorn where you help hinder the Venture Co.'s clear cutting of the jungle and he expresses disgust at how destructive they're being)

Trolls are just not going to like elves in general and the elves are sure not going to like them (Or anyone else in the Horde). They don't seem to have any contact with the Forsaken, and there is Garrosh and his orcs, which is a buttload of tension right there.

There seems to be a lot of tension in the Horde as it is. D:

[paxnirvana]

Vol'jin and Cairne were old buddies from the defense of the World Tree (aka Warcraft 3) even though Blizz was too cheap to put Vol'jin and Cairne in there for us to gush over. Thrall lead the Horde on Hyjal, but Tauren and Trolls are all over that fight too. (one of my favorite raids EVER, still... omg those waves... *grin* and I fangirled all over Thrall every time we made it to Horde Camp. ^_^)

Vol'jin has to be pretty damn pissed that Cairne died that way to Garrosh.