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geezer_also February 2 2013, 02:42:43 UTC
After listening to portions of the Senate hearings I do understand why everyone on the left wants to keep reminding us that he had been a republican (notwithstanding him supporting Obama over his "ol' senate buddy" McCain) heck we prefer not to claim him either. What I don't understand is why he was nominated in the first place.

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rick_day February 2 2013, 07:20:42 UTC
What I don't understand is why he was nominated in the first place.

Bipartisanship has to start somewhere and it ain't gonna happen on the right side of the aisle, bro.

Hagel is a good man, one of the few Repubs I respected. He will do a fine job.

The GOP, not so much.

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geezer_also February 3 2013, 22:14:58 UTC
I'm not sure how why you think nominating Hagel is particularly bipartisan. Iirc he supported Obama against McCain.

When the other guy's idea of bipartisanship and compromise is total capitulation...

Being a "good" man is not the primary qualification for much of anything in politics, or at least so it seems.

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rick_day February 3 2013, 22:20:47 UTC
you use the word 'capitulation' in a way that I do not think pertains to this situation.

Are you indicating that rigidity and polarization among politicos are what the country needs? "My party, right or wrong"

Indeed.... I'm sure there are things Hagel disagrees with both sides of the aisle. This is a bad thing because....?

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rick_day February 2 2013, 07:18:19 UTC
As a veteran, I see this as "officer elitism" on the part of McCain. How dare a 'mere enlisted man' run a department no one would think of giving The Admiral™.

Hagel has seen death. McCain got a room at the S&M Hanoi Hilton.

I hate old white men with power, real or imagined.

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kylinrouge February 2 2013, 07:45:21 UTC
I see it as McCain being senile. Wasn't Hagel his pick for Sec of State during his 2000 run?

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oslo February 2 2013, 13:39:12 UTC
It seems like McCain is just extraordinarily vindictive and petty.

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telemann February 2 2013, 17:00:57 UTC
Yeah, he was against Rice so much because she mocked McCain's trip to Iraq in 2008 wearing all that protective gear during his tour of Baghdad, after he was screaming to the top of his lungs during the Presidential campaign how much more safe the country was due to the surge.

McCain never forgot that.

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kylinrouge February 2 2013, 07:47:08 UTC
I'm curious what they have against Hagel that they didn't against Hillary freaking Clinton.

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a_new_machine February 2 2013, 14:19:15 UTC
How is Hillary relevant? He's up for SecDef, not SecState...

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kylinrouge February 2 2013, 21:10:00 UTC
Ah, I see. Who was the previous SecDef?

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a_new_machine February 2 2013, 21:11:37 UTC
Leon Panetta.

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devil_ad_vocate February 2 2013, 14:55:40 UTC
Republicans split? Purging moderates? Wherever could someone get that idea?

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devil_ad_vocate February 2 2013, 15:54:06 UTC
The media gets its stories from events, and things that people say. There haven't been any Republicans who have expressed concern that their party is divided?

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rick_day February 3 2013, 14:14:39 UTC
http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1658981.html?thread=132667493#t132667493

I can't believe you made me dig back and find this...

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htpcl February 3 2013, 15:06:46 UTC
And what's that supposed to mean?

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rick_day February 3 2013, 16:55:32 UTC
WTF?

He made a comment about Republicans. I commented back about the GOP in response to his comment.

He asked "who brought Republicans into the conversation?"

I sent him his link, displaying he should have known it was him.

Is there an issue?

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htpcl February 3 2013, 17:03:39 UTC
Ah, wrong thread then. Got it.

Pst! You were responding to the OP.

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