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geezer_also February 2 2013, 02:42:43 UTC
After listening to portions of the Senate hearings I do understand why everyone on the left wants to keep reminding us that he had been a republican (notwithstanding him supporting Obama over his "ol' senate buddy" McCain) heck we prefer not to claim him either. What I don't understand is why he was nominated in the first place.

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rick_day February 2 2013, 07:20:42 UTC
What I don't understand is why he was nominated in the first place.

Bipartisanship has to start somewhere and it ain't gonna happen on the right side of the aisle, bro.

Hagel is a good man, one of the few Repubs I respected. He will do a fine job.

The GOP, not so much.

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geezer_also February 3 2013, 22:14:58 UTC
I'm not sure how why you think nominating Hagel is particularly bipartisan. Iirc he supported Obama against McCain.

When the other guy's idea of bipartisanship and compromise is total capitulation...

Being a "good" man is not the primary qualification for much of anything in politics, or at least so it seems.

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rick_day February 3 2013, 22:20:47 UTC
you use the word 'capitulation' in a way that I do not think pertains to this situation.

Are you indicating that rigidity and polarization among politicos are what the country needs? "My party, right or wrong"

Indeed.... I'm sure there are things Hagel disagrees with both sides of the aisle. This is a bad thing because....?

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geezer_also February 3 2013, 23:03:55 UTC
I think it does, because I that the bi-partisan claim was more general...my mistake.

Of course not, Iam implying that's the way it is...sadly.

Not saying it's a bad thing, it is A thing.

Advise and Consent is what it is. Granting that I heard very little of the 8 hours of testimony I'd be really surprised if there were questions more irrelevent than who put the pubic hair on the coke can. What I did hear, did not impress me, but we really couldn't agree on this. NO COMPROMISE ;-D

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dwer February 2 2013, 18:46:18 UTC
because he's a respected statesman from the other side of the aisle whose goals roughly coincide with Obama's, and he was John McCain's proposed choice for SecDef when McCain was running.

Once again, Obama does something that the GOP used to like, and they come out against it.

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geezer_also February 3 2013, 22:22:59 UTC
"because he's a respected statesman from the other side of the aisle whose goals roughly coincide with Obama'"
That's a very good reason.

" he was John McCain's proposed choice for SecDef when McCain was running."
13 years ago when McCain was running for the nomination against Bush. Actually Hagel supported Obama against McCain.

Since McCain didn't get the nomination, I don't think you can say that the GOP particularly liked the idea.
Also, if you bothered to listen to some of the questioning, what Hagel was challenged on were positions he has taken since 1999...just sayin'

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dwer February 4 2013, 04:33:42 UTC
Right when McCain was talking him up as SecDef? Ok.

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geezer_also February 4 2013, 05:01:55 UTC
Um, no,,,"since" implies AFTER....but I'm thinking you actually know that; but what is typical for you is what doesn't fit your narrative, you ignore.

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dwer February 4 2013, 18:23:37 UTC
Wow, you just jumped right to that conclusion, didn't you...

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geezer_also February 11 2013, 03:45:11 UTC
Considering past discussions, it was the logical conclusion :)

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