Trans men at women's colleges

[lullabee_lj]

I'm a first-year at a women's college. Some of the students are trans men; however, as far as I can tell, there are no trans women. See, the policy is that if you're legally female, you can enroll. So, since most trans women are not legally female when they're around 17-19

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[akycha]

I feel qualified to comment on this since I attended a women's college

[lullabee_lj]

Oh, good thought. Thanks. However, I think it might be a good idea anyway to start with a student group, to build up support, raise consciousness, brainstorm, maybe get a petition going, etc. I doubt they'll listen to one firstie, and indeed that they've never realized that trans women may want to attend. It's not like I can bring them The Gospel of Trans Existence and they will see the light.

But perhaps I should just kind of drop them a line, just to see if that gets anywhere at all? I don't know...

Just so you know, I attend Mount Holyoke College, in case anyone wants to research, email the alumna association, not accuse Smith of things I haven't researched as yet...

[shemale]

Trans men do not belong in a women's college, period. They are men, not women. And fuck classism; who gives a shit where they go or what they do once they get kicked out? That's not anyone's problem but theirs. They're adults, they should act like it and not expect everyone to bow to their sense of male entitlement.

And who the fuck are you calling classist? "Waaaah i'll have to go to a public university or a *gagchoke* community college i may, gasp, touch a poor person ;_______; OR WHAT IF I DON'T GO TO COLLEGE AT ALL I MAY WIND UP DOING SOME KIND OF MANUAL LABOR! I AM NOT CUT OUT OF THE SAME CLOTH AS THOSE PEOPLE, BETTER NOT TO LIVE AT ALL!"

[lullabee_lj]

Why are you a member of transwmncollege if you think that? Anyway, that's why I set out the hypothetical scenario. But, then, I don't give a fuck if you bother to read it.

And maybe it's not classist so much as imposing penalties on someone for a situation they may not have got into knowingly and for being a member of a minority. Yes, yes, okay, they're men, men are shit, but they're also trans. If you want to tear them to bits... actually, that'd be a win-win. I don't honestly want to argue with you and you don't want to be argued with. You just want to be angry.

But why would you advocate forcing young men to either stifle their identities or be kicked out of college? That wouldn't be healthy.

[shemale]

Why are you a member of transwomncollege when you aren't trans?

Good, good, we're on our way, whining about the poor menz and calling me "angry." Now call me a man-hating feminazi dyke. You know you want to.

Haha why don't you just say what you clearly mean: "Yes, yes, okay, they're men, men are shit, but they're also trans, so it's not like they're real men."

[lullabee_lj]

There was a post stating that it's okay to request to join if you're not trans, I told the mod team I'm not in the comments to said post, and they accepted my request anyhow. Simple.

No. Basically, my belief is that once they're here, the school has no place kicking them out over a personal matter. The school's identity as a single-sex institution is not so important it should effectively squelch trans guys' identities. Because you know that no one would come out as jack shit if it meant being kicked out of college. It would be unhealthy and cruel to encourage them to stay in the closet.

But, yeah, okay. No intersectionality exists among men. They're all, in their heart of hearts, rich, straight, white, Protestant, 30-year-old, healthy, cisgendered men with not a care in the world. Silly me, problems are for women.

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[buria_q]

"I think the discussion got shut down in the other community in part because it was rather off topic for that post. Seriously, what did trans men at womens colleges have to do with a post by a trans woman who was asking about femmephobia?"

This. It was a derail. It's particularly inappropriate for a cis woman to derail a conversation about transmisogyny.

[lullabee_lj]

I worried about that, yeah. But before the hypothetical trans man went to college, he considered himself female. I thought it was wrong to basically contradict someone's gender identity, even if they don't understand it and they're also hypothetical and I thus know their future. It's his gender identity at the time.

Edited for total brainshart.

[shemale]

lol i don't think that you get to call it a "brainshart" that you called your hypothetical trans man "her" when you've been misgendering him all along.

[lullabee_lj]

I have not in fact been misgendering him all along, unless you mean to tell me that when I call him "him", he becomes a woman.

And I was seriously just confused about which point in his hypothetical life I was talking about. Now can you please tell me how I'm wrong in what I actually said so we can move on?

[moonspark]

I would like to say that I no longer agree with the comment that I made on that post. It was made at a different time in my life. Therefore I deleted it.

[lullabee_lj]

I don't recall seeing it