Trans men at women's colleges

[lullabee_lj]

I'm a first-year at a women's college. Some of the students are trans men; however, as far as I can tell, there are no trans women. See, the policy is that if you're legally female, you can enroll. So, since most trans women are not legally female when they're around 17-19

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[shemale]

Trans men do not belong in a women's college, period. They are men, not women. And fuck classism; who gives a shit where they go or what they do once they get kicked out? That's not anyone's problem but theirs. They're adults, they should act like it and not expect everyone to bow to their sense of male entitlement.

And who the fuck are you calling classist? "Waaaah i'll have to go to a public university or a *gagchoke* community college i may, gasp, touch a poor person ;_______; OR WHAT IF I DON'T GO TO COLLEGE AT ALL I MAY WIND UP DOING SOME KIND OF MANUAL LABOR! I AM NOT CUT OUT OF THE SAME CLOTH AS THOSE PEOPLE, BETTER NOT TO LIVE AT ALL!"

[lullabee_lj]

Why are you a member of transwmncollege if you think that? Anyway, that's why I set out the hypothetical scenario. But, then, I don't give a fuck if you bother to read it.

And maybe it's not classist so much as imposing penalties on someone for a situation they may not have got into knowingly and for being a member of a minority. Yes, yes, okay, they're men, men are shit, but they're also trans. If you want to tear them to bits... actually, that'd be a win-win. I don't honestly want to argue with you and you don't want to be argued with. You just want to be angry.

But why would you advocate forcing young men to either stifle their identities or be kicked out of college? That wouldn't be healthy.

[shemale]

Why are you a member of transwomncollege when you aren't trans?

Good, good, we're on our way, whining about the poor menz and calling me "angry." Now call me a man-hating feminazi dyke. You know you want to.

Haha why don't you just say what you clearly mean: "Yes, yes, okay, they're men, men are shit, but they're also trans, so it's not like they're real men."

[lullabee_lj]

There was a post stating that it's okay to request to join if you're not trans, I told the mod team I'm not in the comments to said post, and they accepted my request anyhow. Simple.

No. Basically, my belief is that once they're here, the school has no place kicking them out over a personal matter. The school's identity as a single-sex institution is not so important it should effectively squelch trans guys' identities. Because you know that no one would come out as jack shit if it meant being kicked out of college. It would be unhealthy and cruel to encourage them to stay in the closet.

But, yeah, okay. No intersectionality exists among men. They're all, in their heart of hearts, rich, straight, white, Protestant, 30-year-old, healthy, cisgendered men with not a care in the world. Silly me, problems are for women.

[shemale]

Again, that is the problem of no one but the trans men in question.

Well golly, thank you for telling me all about intersectional oppression, uppermiddleclassstraightwhiteanglociswoman

[lullabee_lj]

It's their own problem if a college they could have believed suited them perfectly at the age of 17 kicks them out later for discovering their gender identity? Or do you just think there needs to be more forcing people to conform in this world?

Anyway, I'll shut up, call you a feminazi dyke, and go away if you'll just go smack whoever told you I'm Anglo and straight. But that's not pertinent, so unless you can do that, let's not start down that road.

[shemale]

Or do you think that maybe the implementation of radfem-style women's spaces needs to be done away with entirely?

if you'll just go smack whoever told you I'm Anglo and straight.

Oh, you're queer and Latina? My bad.

[lullabee_lj]

Don't freaking apologize for not getting the irrelevant minority category shit right. Okay? I don't even know why I said that. The fact you're angry was starting to seem so reliable, and then you go ahead and give airspace to that stupid "bi Jews get minority street cred" shit. It's stupid and ridiculous and I'm sorry.

Stop turning all reasonable when my arguments get stale and ridiculous. This is just wank.

[shemale]

uhhhhh mmmaybe you should take a break from talking about this.

it will give you some time for reflection, too.

[lullabee_lj]

I was really being incoherent at that point, wasn't I?

Basically, I realised, too late, that her point would stand even if I started singing Hava Nagila and kissing her. It's pointless quibbling. And I didn't think she'd started acting nice all of a sudden for that reason. That hadn't occurred to me, and I don't know how I managed to come across that way. I thought it was just my bad luck that she'd start putting up with bullshit the moment complete off-topic grade-A bullshit appeared.

Anyway, I hate this freaking topic. Allies are essentially opinions where opinions don't belong. If someone else wants to say something similar to what I've been saying, I will be well pleased. Otherwise, what the hell ever. It seems as though no one except myself holds my opinion, which categorically makes it pointless, because my opinion does not affect myself.

[lullabee_lj]

Whoops, LJ just glitched. I made this reply because my other one wasn't showing up. Now it is. Sorry.