Jossverse morality: updated? (musings on recent IDW comics)

Mar 21, 2011 19:50

This is a compilation from my posts on different forums (BuffyForums, SlayAlive, BuffyBoards, IDW Forums) - I wanted to collect my random thoughts in one post ( Read more... )

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angearia March 21 2011, 17:11:01 UTC
I'd say it's more IDWverse than Jossverse morality.

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moscow_watcher March 21 2011, 17:22:38 UTC
I wonder how closely Joss was supervising IDW comics. Given that he already was in pre-production of "The Avengers", I doubt that he pored over every word.

But, to be fair, the concept of a soul has been rewritten so many times. In season 1 The Master and Luke had souls. Angel could be drugged into believing that he lost his soul. Then he was hypnotized into actually losing it. Justice demons have souls. The Mayor could sell his soul, etc.

So far, I'm curious, and I don't want to judge Lynch's mini until I read the last issue.

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2maggie2 March 22 2011, 00:39:43 UTC
Brian and Mariah make it clear that this is all them. Joss had no input.

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shipperx March 21 2011, 17:41:55 UTC
Okay, what?! They've de-souled Spike with Joss's permission? PERMANENTLY?! And gave it to Drusilla?! And do we get to see this destroy Drusilla who should not be able to handle this?

Why such a freaking HUGE change in canon? While in theory I applaud Spike saying "I don't need it, I can be good without it!" I freaking HATE this comics playing havoc with souls, ignoring canon, and going off the grid in all sorts of directions that screw with everything.

Pfft.

I hate all the comics now.

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sueworld2003 March 21 2011, 17:43:45 UTC
To be honest I don't think It's permanent, just for this particular story arc. Still a bloody stupid idea though.

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enisy March 21 2011, 17:50:23 UTC
Also not with Joss's permission, as far as we know.

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moscow_watcher March 21 2011, 17:58:21 UTC
I have the impression that Joss was at least in the know. I doubt that Lynch could introduce such a crucial, mythology-defying twist without Joss' permission.

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salymander March 21 2011, 17:42:39 UTC
This was a great read, thanks :)

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moscow_watcher March 21 2011, 17:59:35 UTC
You're welcome! Hopefully, comics will give us more interesting stuff to talk about. :)

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embers_log March 21 2011, 17:46:01 UTC
I'm very interested to see where Lynch goes with Dru: she was going to become a Nun (a church girl) and was driven insane with grief before Angelus turned her into crazy Vamp girl... so I don't think her soul can cure her insanity or her demon... but we will see.

Brian Lynch genuinely likes (and gets) Spike as a character, so I'm more than willing to let Lynch play musical souls with these characters. He normally writes a tight, exciting, funny story so I think he'll have something interesting to say before he gets to his final issue.

I'm just so disappointed that there will be a final issue; when Brian Lynch started he was going to get to continue writing Spike for years, but since IDW lost the franchise Lynch's series is sadly truncated. :(

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moscow_watcher March 21 2011, 18:07:20 UTC
One of my fondest wishes is Lynch joining Joss' team of writers at DH. He writes great Spike, interesting Angel, very good Illyria. So far, I like how he writes Willow (although he could be using Joss' cues). I vaguely remember him saying that he likes Xander and he'd gladly write him. (He never said anything about writing Buffy - maybe because he considers her "Joss' territory" - but, given his work on other characters, he could nail her, too).

But, alas, he will never leave IDW - he is very loyal to them.

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gryfndor_godess March 21 2011, 18:28:32 UTC
This is all fascinating! My first reaction was "Whaa??? Does that mean Spike doesn't have his soul in S8?" but then I saw in your comment above that apparently he does. So does that mean that Dru only has his soul temporarily? That would be a shame if she reverted so quickly b/c the idea of souled!Dru is insanely cool. I've always felt sorry for her, and I'd love to see her regain control of her life. Also, to my surprise, the thought of a S9 Buffy/souled!Spike/souled!Dru triangle actually makes me giddy. I don't think it could fly post-Chosen or post-NFA, but Spike and Buffy have been distanced enough in the comics that I could see souled!Dru posing an actual romantic threat ( ... )

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moscow_watcher March 21 2011, 19:00:09 UTC
Hey! I'm glad you like the new developments. There is too much negativity in the fandom in recent months (although I have to admit that I was very negative about comics 6 months ago :)

the idea of souled!Dru is insanely cool. I've always felt sorry for her, and I'd love to see her regain control of her life.

Agree! This is a chance to tell an absolutely new story about her. If Joss really plans to turn Spike into a (more foolhardy) Mal Reynolds, why not reinvent Dru as a new River?

Also, to my surprise, the thought of a S9 Buffy/souled!Spike/souled!Dru triangle actually makes me giddy. I don't think it could fly post-Chosen or post-NFA, but Spike and Buffy have been distanced enough in the comics that I could see souled!Dru posing an actual romantic threat.

I know that I should be against this idea, as a Spuffy shipper - but I'm not. Partly because I know that Joss will always keep Buffy miserable - so he'd better make her jealous of Drusilla than engage poor Buffster in space-frak.

maybe Spike can keep passing his soul around ( ... )

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gryfndor_godess March 21 2011, 23:12:44 UTC
If Joss really plans to turn Spike into a (more foolhardy) Mal Reynolds, why not reinvent Dru as a new River?

Hmm, I'm not sure I'd want Dru to be a River, though. I don't like the idea of Dru being useful only as a weapon (River is much more than that, but it does take her a while to get there) or as being completely crazy. I don't think she could ever be fully sane again, but I'd prefer to see her some of her faculties return, as well as her chaste, mature human personality. My ideal Dru would be one who felt guilt for her past but was also rational enough to realize that Angelus made her into a looney tune and deserves most of the blame. I'd love if Buffy had to come to terms with a wise, more-or-less sane Dru who appreciated all that Spike had done for her over the century and had a lot more in common with Spike than Buffy (in terms of their Victorian upbringing). Plus, I think Joss used up his pseudo-River in the Buffyverse with Dana. Dru has so much more potential.

I know that I should be against this idea, as a Spuffy ( ... )

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moscow_watcher March 21 2011, 23:32:23 UTC
I'm looking forward to your post - and, of course, you can link to mine.

Hmm, I'm not sure I'd want Dru to be a River, though. I don't like the idea of Dru being useful only as a weapon (River is much more than that, but it does take her a while to get there) or as being completely crazy.

I never regarded River as just a weapon. To me, she was a complex, tragic figure with enormous capacity to feel compassion and desire to protect people. I remember reading fics in which she turns out to be a slayer of the future.

I don't think she could ever be fully sane again, but I'd prefer to see her some of her faculties return, as well as her chaste, mature human personality. My ideal Dru would be one who felt guilt for her past but was also rational enough to realize that Angelus made her into a looney tune and deserves most of the blame. Joss tends to kill off non-Scoobie characters who are good people (Tara, Fred), so I hope that Dru won't turn too good. (But, of course, it's strictly theoretical: souled Dru is unprecedented, I haven't ( ... )

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