Wait, hang on a second

[m_mcgregor]

Let me get this straight. The Mary Sue/Self-Insertion author-protagonist of the Twilight series is a perfect beautiful jewel of a girl whose only flaw is that she's clumsy

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[anonymous]

You may also want to add that the kid tends to throw away her friends, family, and very humanity just because she gets a thing for an unreasonably attractive CREATURE OF THE FUCKING NIGHT. And that, once she becomes such a monster herself, she becomes so unbelievably vain that any possibility of identifying with the chick becomes impossible. And that all she gains throughout all of this is a husband that, prior to her change, PHYSICALLY HARMS HER when they're in the sack, and a pregnancy that requires her to guzzle human blood while she's still a human.

Yep. I see some flaws there. Maybe they weren't intended to be, though?

[m_mcgregor]

Oh there's plenty more to add, but that's all just generic stupidity and terribleness

[wittgens]

But you don't suck Mac. You don't suck. Hold on to that.

[m_mcgregor]

Well that be the problem. I don't know if you've noticed, but most published authors suck. That's how you make the big bucks, apparently.

[nestdweller]

See, I cleverly avoided the issue when some of my most laid back friends, forgiving of almost every literary faux pas imaginable blurted in outrage, "WTF is this steaming pile of [Insert excrement of choice here]?!"

I think Angel said it best when he said....

[m_mcgregor]

As I said above, I can deal with the sparkling. I can deal with every other idiotic and nonsensical pile of crap she manages to come up with (because let's be honest, I have gone pretty nonsensical and idiotic myself).

But I cannot abide by the Mary Sue whose only flaw is clumsiness. The cliche of it. The absolute clueless unoriginality of it. It's mind boggling.

[nestdweller]

Since I have never paid attention to the series, here's a qualifier I'd like to know: Is she only clumsy until it's really important, and then her uncoordination goes away?

::Not helping::

[m_mcgregor]

Thanksfully, I have no idea, and I plan to keep it that way

[gpi_s_avery]

Mac, if you really want to rage, go watch the movie guy interview with Robert Pattinson on youtube

[a2zmom]

RPatz is pretty specific about thinking the book is a load of shite.

[gpi_s_avery]

Oh, yeah, one other thing. Mac, if you're so disgusted by this, then for heaven's sake, sit down and write something original and captivating, and publish it.

I know someone that has just published his second book and I've been helping his as part of a feedback group to help him whip his stories into shape for publication.

If you're interested I could send your name his way if you need help figuring out how to navigate the world of publication.

Just saying is all... if you are genuinely upset, then do something about it.

Heck, maybe even approach the people that published the Buffy novels and offer up a treatment of a story and let them see what your chops are like.

[m_mcgregor]

I know, I'll send them a copy of Lover's Reciprocation and then see just how many pre-emptive lawsuits they hit me with to keep me from ever writing for those characters ever again!

[a2zmom]

I haven't read the book because everything I know about it makes me want to heave.

Poor Zachary was roped into seeing the movie (It was him and three girls so I don't feel sorry for him) and in his opinion Edward was a creepy stalker and Bella was a doormat.

[gpi_s_avery]

And Joss fails to see why so many people disliked the direction he took Buffy in seasons 6 and 7... particularly with Spike.

Spike gets a perm with curly hair and suddenly "But he's got a sooooullll now."

Made me wanna punch Joss square in the throat.

Buffy ended up coming across as a doormat immature (expletive deleted) and Spike as a creepy stalker. Pretty much exactly what Twilight was.

[jlbarnett]

Joss was barely around during that season. The problem with Spike in season 6 was that in season 5 they gave him plenty of redemptive moments(I happen to believe a positive change in behavior even for someone else is still a redemptive) and then were startled to realize that "hey people are starting to like Spike." And of course more and more demons on Angel being non-threatening.

Plus different writers disagreed with each other. I mean the sex in the Bronze, the you came back wrong, the blowjobs in the alley were defiantely bad on Spike, though I happen to feel the stalker like behavior was season 5. But pummeling him for trying to stop her from making a life destroying decision, the invisible sex that was pretty bad for Buffy. Hell, the blowjob in the alley might have been her idea.

And despite what some people say I'd say the Buffy was pretty consistent with souls. They mean you can choose to do right. So you deserve a chance.

[m_mcgregor]

Oh yes, please, let's have this discussion again. It's not as if we've ever talked about Buffy's relationship with Spike before.