Comments | karen747: The Giz Kids - Psycho Killers? (Qu'est-ce Que C'est) (i.e. WTF?)

karen747

The Giz Kids - Psycho Killers? (Qu'est-ce Que C'est) (i.e. WTF?)

May 20, 2009 22:52

A (Possible) Background of Isabella Thornton & Guy of Gisborne - And What Happens Next...?

PLEASE DISCUSS! - No Spoilers - Only Speculation - RH S3

For several weeks now, the possible background of the Gisborne kids, especially Isabella’s, has been bouncing around in my mind - brain cells pinging about like a bad Pachinko game. (No, not fun. And ( Read more... )

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phadria May 21 2009, 09:34:16 UTC

this all sounds very plausible...
better than what i had is. gizabella just got bored of her otherwise ok husband [i think of hir relationship s being that of jocasta and pontus [?] in Rome] and decided to go awol. yours is definately more likely.
as for the writers never having watched the show
I really think you're right.
nobody could have watched that show and not at least pitied guy.
and, if they ever actually listened to the actors *cougharmitagecough* they might have managed to come up with something a little more sympathetic to the roles they've all been playing
perhaps i'm just projecting... but i just love giz so much and i dont see why th writers are sooo mean to him!
yeah he killed maz but, fucking frankly, i just blame the writers for that too.
*crazy commenter is crazy*

karen747 May 22 2009, 03:19:34 UTC

this all sounds very plausible ( ... )

rochvelleth May 21 2009, 11:02:45 UTC

Wow, this is so well put together! Very impressive, and indeed persuasive.

I've had quite different ideas about their backstory myself (I think about these things a lot!), so I'll give you my abridged version.

I reckon the age gap to be a bit bigger than 4 years -you'll see why in a minute - so I'm going to estimate it as 6 years. I also reckon the Gisbornes may have been relatively well to do, but later fell on hard times. I'll tell the rest as a narrative, but please note that it's entirely speculative! :)

The Gisbornes were granted their title in the Norman Conquest, and were a Norman family who came to live in England when William I took the throne. They were given lands and some kind of hereditary title (hmm, can a knighthood be hereditary?). The family managed to ride out the Civil War between Stephen and Matilda, but got caught up in the rebeliion of Henry II's sons (information hereNow, when Guy and Isabella are young, they don't have much to do with each other - he's playing around being boisterous, but she's much younger ( ... )

karen747 May 22 2009, 04:41:32 UTC

Wow, this is so well put together! Very impressive, and indeed persuasive ( ... )

rochvelleth May 23 2009, 15:41:01 UTC

Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you! Thank you for all those comments, I love discussing this :)

Wait. Huh? I seem to be remembering Richard Armitage saying in an interview somewhere, at sometime, that the Gisbornes LOST everything in the Norman Conquest. Do I have this wrong? Or are you disregarding this statement in favor of your own narrative? Perfectly acceptable to do so, but thought I'd better ask, right of the bat as that does alter the land possession aspect, etc. Oh dear - no, I'd never heard that before! I'm pretty sure I've never even heard it (rather than just forgetting it), because I've been mulling over my ideas about Guy's past since the first season, so I probably would have incorporated information like that if I'd known about it... Thank you for telling me! Do you know if he said it recently or not? I'm asking because I heard him say in a season 3 interview (GMTV, I think) that he and Robin knew each other as children - now, I assume that comes into play in the flashback episode, but I'd never picked up ( ... )

karen747 May 24 2009, 23:33:20 UTC

I'll have to change my back story quite a bit to accommodate that now! Though a little tweak here and there could result in something compatible, I guess!

Wait! Don't do that until you confirm this info, for heaven's sake! He said it in an interview some time ago, and he could have been referring to the Gisbornes historically, I mean a few generations back. Please check prior to editing. I don't want to wracked with inadverntent-misdirecting-writer-guilt!! ;-)

But maybe I'll wait until the season finishes before I write anything...
I don't want to spoil you, but this may be VERY wise for background clarification purposes, if nothing else.

Thank you, that's so kind of you! And it's been brilliant talking to you about it, you have such great ideas. I especially liked everything you said about Isabella too, I thinkt hat all sounds spot on! Thanks! I'm glad my ideas may have helped. And Issy is a bit of a complex puzzle to unravel, so it was fun to play "what it?" with her. We shall see.

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gizxmaz May 21 2009, 11:19:09 UTC

I think all of this.. is the exakt same thing that i was thinking about. you've like read my mind!
i thought it was great, really..!

karen747 May 22 2009, 04:50:07 UTC

Ahhhh, thanks! That's so nice to hear! I really worked hard on this, after thinking about it for 3 1/2 weeks, so your words mean alot. Those Giz Kids just wouldn't leave my mind, and let me go, darn it!
;-) Thank you for commenting!

fairycutie86 May 23 2009, 17:10:55 UTC

I absolutely loved your, I guess I'll call it, essay. Very interesting insights and remarks. I loved the Dinner at the Macbeth's joke. Izzy and Gizzy are totally Macbeth and Lady Macbeth when you think about it. Isabella commiting suicide (my own theory)? I could see her doing that. But this is a family show after all. I liked the insights you made as to the relationship between Isabella and Thornton, and the fact that she could have had miscarriages. Another plausible theory. Overall, I just really enjoyed this. Very well said and educated, not just a bunch of gibberish.

karen747 May 24 2009, 04:37:39 UTC

Thanks so much! That's very kind of you to say. I'm loving reading your fic. as well!! I spent 3 1/2 weeks thinking about these two crazy kids and then just decided to go for it. I'm sure other histories are valid, but this one seemed right to me. And after tonight's ep., I was ridic. happy in that we got Guy's side of things (briefly) and I that I'd been right about his potential feelings/ motivations, was right, but wrong in that they were still living in France. Hee ( ... )

jedi_of_urth May 25 2009, 02:30:13 UTC

See, I told you I'd read it ( ... )

karen747 May 25 2009, 23:29:23 UTC

Yeah! I'm so glad you did, as I'd love to know your thoughts, especially after your write up on the scene in ep. 8 ( ... )

karen747 May 25 2009, 23:32:00 UTC

--- Part 2 ( ... )

jedi_of_urth May 26 2009, 03:25:30 UTC

I had always gone with the presumption that Guy was simply working for him for wealth and power and biding his time, moving up the social ladder. I had never snapped to the possiblity of "you've given me money, so you must like me."

On one, yes I think mostly he wanted the position being with Vasey offered, but it seems a little more complex than that, at least the different side are tangled about each other in that his things/position/gifts=respect/affection issues. The more I think about this the more sad it becomes for poor emotionally stunted Guy.

Gods do I wish we'd gotten a season of Guy and Marian having to learn to really deal with each other because that would have been made of all things awesome, even if they did have to make room for Robin's caper of the week.

bits of part 2:

And I think that constant suffering for what he knows he's done is why so many people are willing to give him a shot at redemption. Thoughts?Yes. Although the presentation in previous seasons built many of us to a point where we believed Guy was ( ... )

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