I'm one of them who thinks the Bad Wolf was mostly the TARDIS in control, so it would be a bit harsh to blame Rose when she didn't really know what she was doing. What part there was of Rose meant well which isn't always everything (paved with good intentions, etc) but she was only trying to help him.
If I was Jack I'd be more angry that she completely forgot about him in S2, like he'd never existed. Apparently she didn't like him that much after all :(
To me it doesn't seem like Jack blames Rose at all for what happened to him. He probably figured out that she was driven by the TARDIS and by her emotions when she was possessed. Besides he's ecstatic that she's still alive and if he didn't have the ability to come back to life he wouldn't have saved the world a few times in Torchwood.
I think it was RTD's fault there wasn't all that much Jack/Rose interaction in Journey's End. Which has always bugged me. They should've had ONE conversation about it. Since Rose doesn't entirely seem like she knew what she did to him.
I've always felt a bit put off by the whole Rose/Jack relationship, or lack there of, in Journey's End. I understand that there was a lot that had to be wrapped up, but for a writer who's so focused on the emotions and relationships that make up all the characters, I really feel like RTD dropped the ball. Jack just shows up and neither of them are fazed by each other's presence? That just doesn't make any sense to me. They cared about one another, I mean Jack was elated when he found out she was alive. They should be at least shocked to see one another.
I do have a bit of an issue with the whole Jack-Rose relationship post PotW. I think Jack's story was glossed over a bit and it was out of character for Rose not to push the Doctor more about it. To me, it felt like RTD threw up his hands as in "we don't know how to address this so let's just ignore it
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I can understand the Doctor not wanting to tell Rose exactly what happened to/because of her, but her not pushing to find out becomes another thing hanging over S2 as "she doesn't push the Doctor anymore" and really she should have been allowed to at least ask what happened. Even if it was mostly the TARDIS, it was her body so she has a right to know.
Totally agreed that she should have been allowed to ask about it. Idk ... I guess I kind of fanwank it as that since the song in her head was "forbidden", maybe it's like Donna and she'll explode if she thinks too hard about it? Lol idk
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Totally agreed that she should have been allowed to ask about it. Idk ... I guess I kind of fanwank it as that since the song in her head was "forbidden", maybe it's like Donna and she'll explode if she thinks too hard about it? Lol idk.
I suppose forbiddenness means she isn't going "WAIT your time machine STOLE MY BODY and did genocide and I don't even remember this? TAKE ME HOME NOW."
I think it is exemplified by some of his protesting-too-much early s2 words and actions.
Which is those?
Ahem. Season 2-3 Ten in a nutshell from my point of view:I see him as more sort of "Oh shit, losing people still hurts? And it's WORSE now? WTF? Well, Donna says I should talk it through. And I should probably try not to get too close to Martha, just in case I ruin her life as well. Wait, that's NOT the right thing to do? Okay, Donna, I'm over it all now and... she's BACK? Luckily I have this clone thing lying about to take care of that problem. Shit, now Donna has left me AS WELL? Whatever, Imma regenerate now to avoid falling for gingers...
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Oh, man, I love the Jack/Rose relationship and it makes me sad we didn't see more of it. I don't think Jack blames Rose at all, but I also think Jack suffers from the same "Rose is completely amazingwonderfullovely" affliction that the Doctor has. I feel at that point in time that although Jack had mostly come to terms with his immortality, he still had a lot of issues about it, and was angry/bitter with the Doctor for not helping him out with those issues and avoiding him. But IMO there is definitely a shift in attitude at the moment of truth in Utopia. If it has been anyone else responsible-including the Doctor- I think he would have kept more of that anger and bitterness, but I can't see him having any anger towards Rose whatsoever, especially since the Doctor made it clear it was an accident
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Re: rambling...fannishlissApril 10 2012, 04:51:23 UTC
I think you're right that if Rose brought up Jack she would not get a positive reaction from Ten. If no one has ficced on that, it seems like a moment that would be ripe for ficcage, especially from Ten's pov with all the changes regeneration would mean. One can kind of imagine the teeth on edge feeling of Ten peering at the newly anomalous Jack through the dying Nine's memories, and wondering if going back for Jack is a thing he could do..... or you know, maybe, tried to do and the Tardis just missed, as she so often does for whatever reason
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Re: rambling...fannishlissApril 10 2012, 23:31:51 UTC
If only that made any sense! :P
Nine himself admits that no Time Lord could do what Rose did. "Sucking out the magic" did kill him -- but there's no guarantee the Bad Wolf would have actually killed Rose, if it was able to keep her alive that long. The partnership between the human and the Tardis was what kept Rose alive ... I really think the Tardis would have been able to withdraw the energy back into herself if the Doctor hadn't kissed Rose. It was a panicky mistake on his part in my opinion. If you watch that scene you can see that he is terrified out of his wits throughout.
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If I was Jack I'd be more angry that she completely forgot about him in S2, like he'd never existed. Apparently she didn't like him that much after all :(
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I think it was RTD's fault there wasn't all that much Jack/Rose interaction in Journey's End. Which has always bugged me. They should've had ONE conversation about it. Since Rose doesn't entirely seem like she knew what she did to him.
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I suppose forbiddenness means she isn't going "WAIT your time machine STOLE MY BODY and did genocide and I don't even remember this? TAKE ME HOME NOW."
I think it is exemplified by some of his protesting-too-much early s2 words and actions.
Which is those?
Ahem. Season 2-3 Ten in a nutshell from my point of view:I see him as more sort of "Oh shit, losing people still hurts? And it's WORSE now? WTF? Well, Donna says I should talk it through. And I should probably try not to get too close to Martha, just in case I ruin her life as well. Wait, that's NOT the right thing to do? Okay, Donna, I'm over it all now and... she's BACK? Luckily I have this clone thing lying about to take care of that problem. Shit, now Donna has left me AS WELL? Whatever, Imma regenerate now to avoid falling for gingers... ( ... )
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Nine himself admits that no Time Lord could do what Rose did. "Sucking out the magic" did kill him -- but there's no guarantee the Bad Wolf would have actually killed Rose, if it was able to keep her alive that long. The partnership between the human and the Tardis was what kept Rose alive ... I really think the Tardis would have been able to withdraw the energy back into herself if the Doctor hadn't kissed Rose. It was a panicky mistake on his part in my opinion. If you watch that scene you can see that he is terrified out of his wits throughout.
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