I do have a bit of an issue with the whole Jack-Rose relationship post PotW. I think Jack's story was glossed over a bit and it was out of character for Rose not to push the Doctor more about it. To me, it felt like RTD threw up his hands as in "we don't know how to address this so let's just ignore it
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I can understand the Doctor not wanting to tell Rose exactly what happened to/because of her, but her not pushing to find out becomes another thing hanging over S2 as "she doesn't push the Doctor anymore" and really she should have been allowed to at least ask what happened. Even if it was mostly the TARDIS, it was her body so she has a right to know.
Totally agreed that she should have been allowed to ask about it. Idk ... I guess I kind of fanwank it as that since the song in her head was "forbidden", maybe it's like Donna and she'll explode if she thinks too hard about it? Lol idk
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Totally agreed that she should have been allowed to ask about it. Idk ... I guess I kind of fanwank it as that since the song in her head was "forbidden", maybe it's like Donna and she'll explode if she thinks too hard about it? Lol idk.
I suppose forbiddenness means she isn't going "WAIT your time machine STOLE MY BODY and did genocide and I don't even remember this? TAKE ME HOME NOW."
I think it is exemplified by some of his protesting-too-much early s2 words and actions.
Which is those?
Ahem. Season 2-3 Ten in a nutshell from my point of view:I see him as more sort of "Oh shit, losing people still hurts? And it's WORSE now? WTF? Well, Donna says I should talk it through. And I should probably try not to get too close to Martha, just in case I ruin her life as well. Wait, that's NOT the right thing to do? Okay, Donna, I'm over it all now and... she's BACK? Luckily I have this clone thing lying about to take care of that problem. Shit, now Donna has left me AS WELL? Whatever, Imma regenerate now to avoid falling for gingers...
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PS: I am batshit about Ace, but I do think that his chain of lost people do hurt him. He never talks about all sorts of things that hurt him, y'know? Most of the time the latest one distracts him from all that, but then they inevitably leave as well. I think the Doctor thinks along those lines based on "As opposed to what?!" which I interpret as him being pissed off at the idea that "other companions who aren't me mean less to you, right?"
"as opposed to what?", inviting Mickey along, Reinette, etc - pretty much most of his s2 actions until Mickey called them on it at the end of Age of Steel. After that point, there's a big change in his attitude towards Rose and he doesn't push her away as much. I'd noticed it a while back - but then a friend mentioned that RTD talks about this in The Idiot's Lantern commentary, and said that it was intentional. He felt he needed to put up roadblocks between the Ten/Rose ship in the early part of the season, because (lol @ how he apparently phrased this), 'otherwise there's only one other place their relationship would have gone by the end of the season, and it's a family show!!!!!" XD
I do think that his chain of lost people do hurt himI mean, it very well might, but we never SEE that. We don't see him crying/grieving/angsting over reminders of previous companions, or mentioning them repeatedly (to an extent that even became a turn-off for some fans in s3), or taking new companions to the same places he took old ones
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He felt he needed to put up roadblocks between the Ten/Rose ship in the early part of the season, because (lol @ how he apparently phrased this), 'otherwise there's only one other place their relationship would have gone by the end of the season, and it's a family show!!!!!" XD
Well, supposedly in the early drafts she was to leave with Mickey halfway? Dunno how true that is, but I can believe it because it very much fits. And then it's all the race to the finale and the need to make that as sad as possible.
We don't see him crying/grieving/angsting over reminders of previous companions
He also almost never mentions his children, and we have to assume they meant an awful lot to him what with being his children and all.
taking new companions to the same places he took old ones
That's just whether or not a story gets a sequel. I don't think he was thinking of Sarah Jane when he went to Skaro with Romana.
but in canon, we really don't see anything along the same lines with anyone else we've seen to date.I'd argue Amy (and
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He also almost never mentions his children, and we have to assume they meant an awful lot to him what with being his children and all.
He's mentioned them at least 3 times though, across New Who series - comparatively, that's a lot! XD
(I don't mind clarification sometimes, but I got so sick of being told how I was supposed to be watching the show. I'm GLAD Confidential is gone and I think Moff should get off Twitter.)
Yeah I see in differently in that I actively like that - to me, the author is not dead, and I feel that it's helpful to me to understand some of the deeper meanings, intentions, and arcs that might not seem so cohesive if I tried to wing it. I get particularly squee-y over DWM features and the old RTD-era MP3 podcasts XD
He's mentioned them at least 3 times though, across New Who series - comparatively, that's a lot!
It means he likes them almost as much as fish fingers! XD
Yeah I see in differently in that I actively like that - to me, the author is not dead, and I feel that it's helpful to me to understand some of the deeper meanings, intentions, and arcs that might not seem so cohesive if I tried to wing it. I get particularly squee-y over DWM features and the old RTD-era MP3 podcasts XD
Possibly I'm too jaded/confused by all the conflicting thoughts of all the people who have ever written for DW. At a certain point I just ditched Authorial Intent as relatively meaningless when the next person can just contradict whatever you were trying to say. (I don't think RTD would write the Doctor feeling *guilty* about Rose, but it makes sense to me and so I don't really care what Moffat was going for with it.)
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I suppose forbiddenness means she isn't going "WAIT your time machine STOLE MY BODY and did genocide and I don't even remember this? TAKE ME HOME NOW."
I think it is exemplified by some of his protesting-too-much early s2 words and actions.
Which is those?
Ahem. Season 2-3 Ten in a nutshell from my point of view:I see him as more sort of "Oh shit, losing people still hurts? And it's WORSE now? WTF? Well, Donna says I should talk it through. And I should probably try not to get too close to Martha, just in case I ruin her life as well. Wait, that's NOT the right thing to do? Okay, Donna, I'm over it all now and... she's BACK? Luckily I have this clone thing lying about to take care of that problem. Shit, now Donna has left me AS WELL? Whatever, Imma regenerate now to avoid falling for gingers... ( ... )
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"as opposed to what?", inviting Mickey along, Reinette, etc - pretty much most of his s2 actions until Mickey called them on it at the end of Age of Steel. After that point, there's a big change in his attitude towards Rose and he doesn't push her away as much. I'd noticed it a while back - but then a friend mentioned that RTD talks about this in The Idiot's Lantern commentary, and said that it was intentional. He felt he needed to put up roadblocks between the Ten/Rose ship in the early part of the season, because (lol @ how he apparently phrased this), 'otherwise there's only one other place their relationship would have gone by the end of the season, and it's a family show!!!!!" XD
I do think that his chain of lost people do hurt himI mean, it very well might, but we never SEE that. We don't see him crying/grieving/angsting over reminders of previous companions, or mentioning them repeatedly (to an extent that even became a turn-off for some fans in s3), or taking new companions to the same places he took old ones ( ... )
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Well, supposedly in the early drafts she was to leave with Mickey halfway? Dunno how true that is, but I can believe it because it very much fits. And then it's all the race to the finale and the need to make that as sad as possible.
We don't see him crying/grieving/angsting over reminders of previous companions
He also almost never mentions his children, and we have to assume they meant an awful lot to him what with being his children and all.
taking new companions to the same places he took old ones
That's just whether or not a story gets a sequel. I don't think he was thinking of Sarah Jane when he went to Skaro with Romana.
but in canon, we really don't see anything along the same lines with anyone else we've seen to date.I'd argue Amy (and ( ... )
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He's mentioned them at least 3 times though, across New Who series - comparatively, that's a lot! XD
(I don't mind clarification sometimes, but I got so sick of being told how I was supposed to be watching the show. I'm GLAD Confidential is gone and I think Moff should get off Twitter.)
Yeah I see in differently in that I actively like that - to me, the author is not dead, and I feel that it's helpful to me to understand some of the deeper meanings, intentions, and arcs that might not seem so cohesive if I tried to wing it. I get particularly squee-y over DWM features and the old RTD-era MP3 podcasts XD
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It means he likes them almost as much as fish fingers! XD
Yeah I see in differently in that I actively like that - to me, the author is not dead, and I feel that it's helpful to me to understand some of the deeper meanings, intentions, and arcs that might not seem so cohesive if I tried to wing it. I get particularly squee-y over DWM features and the old RTD-era MP3 podcasts XD
Possibly I'm too jaded/confused by all the conflicting thoughts of all the people who have ever written for DW. At a certain point I just ditched Authorial Intent as relatively meaningless when the next person can just contradict whatever you were trying to say. (I don't think RTD would write the Doctor feeling *guilty* about Rose, but it makes sense to me and so I don't really care what Moffat was going for with it.)
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TRUE LUV!!!! XD
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