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ms_scarletibis

The Immortal and "The Girl in Question"

Nov 11, 2010 12:52

So, last week, I took one of Gabs' polls, and the subject of the Immortal came up. I was asked why I thought he was a vampire, and I said:

"It just seems most feasible. Vampires look the closest to humans of the demons that are shown from either series, and it's highly doubtful a being that old could be a half breed like Doyle. In addition to that ( Read more... )

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coalitiongirl November 11 2010, 19:05:36 UTC

The whole Buffy/Immortal thing never sat well with me, because it didn't sound like Buffy partying it up with him. So I'm going with Buffy having fun with some apparent sex god guy to block out nasty memories of Sunnydale, which is a somewhat reasonable reaction, I think, but doesn't necessarily mean anything deeper about their relationship. (And I put little stock into Andrew's take on it, because it's Andrew. *g*)

TGIQ: completely about Teh Spangel. (And possibly a minor cautionary tale for Angel's significant others that he may order an intelligence detail on them post-breakup. Which is much creepier than just stalking Spike style. :D)

ms_scarletibis November 11 2010, 19:12:54 UTC

Well, I don't think they were partying it up so much as, went out and had fun, which couples do :P The part that made me go "huh" was the "most times, they just sit on the couch and cuddle" bit, which brought about my line of reasoning for those two.

And dur, of course it was about Teh Spangel, yay!

Ahem.

rahirah November 11 2010, 19:08:40 UTC

My favorite Immortal in fic is Shapinglight's - we never find out exactly what he is, and he only appears in the background of the stoy, but it's strongly implied that he's something older and more powerful than a mere vampire - and at the same time more limited, in that it's strongly implied that his power and possibly he himself is tied to Rome. I always saw him as a genius locii of sorts in that story.

My second favorite is the Immortal of Three Deep. I don't know if that will ever get off the ground again, so I'm a bit shy of spoiling things without permission, but that Immortal was A) Not a vampire, B) Not a demon in the conventional sense, C) Something we have seen in a major role in the Jossverse before.

rahirah November 11 2010, 19:10:00 UTC

Oh, and since we don't know exactly why Buffy hooked up with him or how she felt about him, I don't think I could say the relationship was good or bad.

ms_scarletibis November 11 2010, 19:13:35 UTC

Well, they sat on the couch and cuddled (in front of people, so he wasn't some dark secret like others...), and that to me suggested intimacy.

ms_scarletibis November 11 2010, 19:15:13 UTC

Um...did they make him a god ala Glory?

And the only fic I've read with the Immortal was Eurydice's um...what was the name of that fic, dag nabbit? Where Buffy ends up in an alternate dimension where she died in s4, and Adam and co. run Sunnydale? Something about clocks...

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eleusis_walks November 11 2010, 19:14:45 UTC

Darla says he is no "mere vampire" but I think that's more likely to mean he's a very powerful vampire as opposed to 'not a vampire'. More importantly though, it doesn't really matter what he is, you know? He's a device rather than a character ( ... )

ms_scarletibis November 11 2010, 19:25:38 UTC

I think Buffy dating another dark and mysterious guy and getting all caught up in him immediately following her supposed cookie dough epiphany shows she still has a lot of growing up to do, but I think that's very, very IC for her.

I don't know if she immediately got caught up with him, but since it seemed like a real relationship, I thought it meant that she had grown up (which, in a way is OOC, but I liked it).

The ep I think is all about how Angel and Spike and Buffy have all moved on from the B/_ pairings. More importantly, it's about how Buffy at this point is relevant to their lives only as a point of contention.I don't know--that seemed more on the surface to me as opposed to the heart of the matter, but I do agree how all respective parties have moved on. I also don't know about the "hopes Buffy can find him" bit, since Spike is his rock by that time. I think Buffy for Angel was a childhood memory, but that he didn't/wouldn't rely on her the way he would for Cordy or Spike. Well, not since he left Sunnydale and grew up, ( ... )

eleusis_walks November 11 2010, 19:32:28 UTC

I also don't know about the "hopes Buffy can find him" bit, since Spike is his rock by that time.

I... really don't get that from the text or even see it when I squint, particularly, but I know you ship them so I will just assume this is a difference of interpretation.

ms_scarletibis November 11 2010, 20:47:47 UTC

Omg, LJ is moving so fucking slow...

I was looking over my past essays, and it appears I have yet to do one on how Angel was over Buffy, and how Spike had become his rock, but focused more upon how LA and Angel and his friends (eventually their friends) was better for Spike than Sunnydale and Buffy (all of which can be found in my "essays" tag).

But I do think that s5 was a love song to Spangel--particularly TGiQ, and after a rewatch, I will get back to you with textual evidence, and not my feelings based on clear preference :)

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menomegirl November 11 2010, 20:00:24 UTC

The Immortal was Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod.

*nods*

I am firm in this belief.

fenchurche November 11 2010, 20:24:01 UTC

I've always been rather fond of the idea that he's Jack Harkness from Doctor Who/Torchwood.

lynnenne November 12 2010, 03:40:23 UTC

This. Best fanwank ever.

fenchurche November 12 2010, 04:16:57 UTC

There's actually a pretty good fanfic out there called "My Immortal" with that very premise by elisi (which is where I first encountered the idea).

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stormwreath November 11 2010, 22:28:05 UTC

I never thought the Immortal was a vampire, because of Darla's line. Also, he doesn't seem to be particularly evil. I think he's unique; sui generis. I ticked 'warlock' because I imagine him as being basically human, or originally human, once upon a time.

Of course, I firmly believe that he's actually Captain Jack.

As for Buffy; she's never met the guy, so it's pretty academic what the relationship means to her. :-p

I thought 'The Girl In Question' was about how Spike and Angel ought to move on rather than showing they had moved on; but frankly, the Illyria and Wes parts of that episode are the only bits worth watching. :-)

ms_scarletibis November 12 2010, 03:19:44 UTC

Darla's line doesn't mean he wasn't a vampire, though--just that she considered William and Angelus ordinary compared to him. A woman can say that about one man to another, and it doesn't make him literally a titan or a god ;)

As for "she's never met the guy," well, that's comic canon, which had no bearings on the show when it aired :)

And no canonical bearings for me at all either way, but I know not everyone feels that way.

I thought 'The Girl In Question' was about how Spike and Angel ought to move on rather than showing they had moved onThe last lines in the show just how seriously their feelings for Buffy have become. She isn't something that either of them really want, and neither gave a thought about her for 95% of the season ( ... )