Great post. It is really interesting the way the brothers defend each other, isn't it? When it comes down to it, they always have each other's backs.
Which is why I genuinely think that in season three, if Damon/Elena does happen, the initiative will have to be Elena’s. Agreed. I don't think it would work for him to make a pass at her, not after he very deliberately stepped aside. I think there's going to be a lot of resisting the inevitable from both of them.
Heh, no seriously, I was covertly going through your Elena/Elijah post at work (with a lot of tab changing) and I couldn't wait to come home and go through it properly, and now I can, yes!
I shall be very disappointed if Damon tries to bring the kiss up, because honestly that just seems very OOC for who he is; he did it the first time after the Founder's Day kiss with Katherine, but that was because at that point in time Elena was "fair game" (ugh, sexist terminology, I just can't think of anything else), in the sense that she was free to make the choice, but here, with Stefan gone, they're both not free. And I just hope that the writers don't rush through the various complications to get to the actual D/E. I'm more than wiling to wait, if it gets me some delicious snarkangst first!
Wow! Look at you writing a meta! Have you thought about posting this at tvd_meta? I'm sure more people would love to read it!
I've always loved the relationship between these two guys, as painfull as it is to watch sometimes! I think you worded it perfectly.
A couple of seconds ago I commented to nicenicegirl that it baffles me why everybody seems to prefer Stefan (Kat, Lexi, Elena, Becky). On the surfice he seems like the nicer guy, but wouldn't anybody who spends a bit longer with these two guys see that none is BETTER than the other?
I'm thinking this is a meta you did here. Because you're not focussing on one scene or even one show, but taking a helicopter view of something bigger.
You could link this post up over at Bloodstream--you would probably get a lot of response to your thinky thoughts...
I do want to discuss one point with you that I don't see exactly as you state here, however: and that is Damon trying to steal Elena. Because he obviously had that intent (and stated it quite clearly) in 1x03 FNB--but Elena had been vervained, so he couldn't execute his mission, thus he went to poke at Stefan and ended up killing Coach Tanner.
Secondly, when Damon kissed "Elena" on the porch in 1x22, while I don't believe he was doing it to "steal" Elena (though at the beginning of the episode he does say to Stefan that he's come to the Founder's Day festival to "eat cotton candy and steal your girl"), he kissed her as Stefan says in 2x01 "Because you feel something for her!" I do believe that even though it wasn't about Stefan anymore then, he definitely didn't care if it bothered Stefan (hence him saying I kissed Elena!). So, now, given what's happened, I don't think Damon would make any moves himself, either, it
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Because he obviously had that intent (and stated it quite clearly) in 1x03 FNB--but Elena had been vervained, so he couldn't execute his mission
Oh, I really should have added that in! I think you're absolutely right there, but I suppose I don't see that as 'stealing' because it was done solely for the purpose of aggravating Stefan. He didn't have a vested interest in the matter apart from the fact that Stefan apparently wanted Elena so Damon wanted to ruin that for him and hold good to his promise of eternal misery. He might've been interested in Elena, but I don't think his attempt at seduction was for that purpose; it wasn't for Elena, it was for Stefan. And Damon was like that, the bitter remark about how Stefan shouldn't have been saved wasn't a flashback, it was said in real-time, so there were a lot of issues there. And ironically enough, that changed just as he actually fell for Elena! It can be argued both ways, it could be for Elena, because he believes Stefan is 'better' for her which is why
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I wasn't accusing you of sounding one way or another, those were just the first thoughts that popped into my head after I read your post: 1) a time when he was trying to "steal" and 2) a time when he "stole" without meaning too, and then not really at all since it was the wrong girl! Nothing to apologize for. :D
It is interesting to think about a "talk" after the kiss on the porch and one after the kiss on the bed. He won't want to talk about it because he'll assume he knows why she did it and what it meant, and there's no need to discuss that. The Porch Kiss would have been discussion worthy--if it had been Elena
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Damon is well and truly love's bitch, he does keep getting hurt so badly and so often; and I do think it's a continuing trend, from his father onwards! You can totally see that Damon would've been the problem child, who brought the family shame by returning from the Civil War (which is funny in a way, because their agenda which he didn't "agree with" probably means slavery, so Damon's essentially been a decent person for the most part). In the books he'd left university and come back, which is also so easy to imagine (they were Italian in the books!) And for some reason, I always think of older brother!Damon being the center of young!Stefan's world and his hero and his role model and his everything (awwww). Ian is good at playing the dysfunctional older brother (think LOST), heh.
Yeah, I'd love to see the explorations of Damon's development from all angles, and I'm so glad the show is exploring that (even with regards to Stefan now, I imagine, esp with him gone). And that line, SO MUCH LOVE <3 TVD just keeps reminding me why I love
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I'm going to be incredibly lame, but I'm working every day this week and am just dog tired, so I will say: THIS! ALL OF THIS! Seriously, I could have written this entire thing myself. ABSOLUTELY.
Oh god, I sympathize; I'm interning for the hols, working nine hours for the first time in my life and it's killer. I really don't see how people work on a regular basis D: But I'm SO GLAD that you feel the same way!!
I think the most poignant "brotherly love" moments for me are the more subtle ones you pointed out--ESPECIALLY the one where Stefan tried to justify Damon snapping Jeremy's neck in "The Return" by claiming that Damon only did it because he saw the right <3 when you take into account all the events that preceded that defense (Damon kissing Katherine while thinking she was Elena, his gloating about it to Stefan) that was a pretty darn awesome and brotherly thing for Stefan to to =) (all the other moments were as awesome too, but that one really stood out for me for some reason).
Which is why I genuinely think that in season three, if Damon/Elena does happen, the initiative will have to be Elena’s. Damon playing an agential role would seem rather out-of-character to me, not to mention, a little disappointing after what Stefan’s done for him. YOU KNOW WHAT, I hope this means that we’ll return to first season Damon/Elena dynamic, with a lot of snark and accidental attraction because they’ll both have to resist
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I know! I absolutely love those because of how incredibly subtle they are-- like, I actually didn't even notice this stuff WHILE it was happening, it was only (months!) later when I was thinking about it that it struck me! I completely agree with you that Stefan trying to defend Damon in The Return was one of their best moments because he could've stayed silent or said something about how Damon never really changed; but he didn't. And I'd completely forgotten all the action preceding it which makes Stefan's support even more incredible, thanks for pointing that out
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Honestly, it's a bit like-- I don't know-- if I'd read a fic with some of the dialogues that Damon's said this season, I would've dismissed it as OOC and stopped reading. And just because its on the show doesn't make it less odd for me, because seriously, that is not my conception of Damon as a character. I think his mode of dealing with unrequited love would be endless snark and obvious flirting, completed with angsty/tender moments that he'd hate and try to avoid and wouldn't be able to. More about the way he looks at her and does things without realizing (like giving her the device in Isobel or sitting with her outside Stefan's 'jail' in Miss Mystic Falls), not the completely self-aware character who feels it necessary to say everything he's feeling.
perfectly put <3 I (like you) totally still ship them and everything, but I'm really mourning the dynamic of season 1 and really season 2 =( I really hope we get it back in season 3 though, fingers crossed!!
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Which is why I genuinely think that in season three, if Damon/Elena does happen, the initiative will have to be Elena’s.
Agreed. I don't think it would work for him to make a pass at her, not after he very deliberately stepped aside. I think there's going to be a lot of resisting the inevitable from both of them.
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Heh, no seriously, I was covertly going through your Elena/Elijah post at work (with a lot of tab changing) and I couldn't wait to come home and go through it properly, and now I can, yes!
I shall be very disappointed if Damon tries to bring the kiss up, because honestly that just seems very OOC for who he is; he did it the first time after the Founder's Day kiss with Katherine, but that was because at that point in time Elena was "fair game" (ugh, sexist terminology, I just can't think of anything else), in the sense that she was free to make the choice, but here, with Stefan gone, they're both not free. And I just hope that the writers don't rush through the various complications to get to the actual D/E. I'm more than wiling to wait, if it gets me some delicious snarkangst first!
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For a second there I thought you were talking about me. XD
And totally agreed on D/E. I want them to argue a lot too.
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I've always loved the relationship between these two guys, as painfull as it is to watch sometimes! I think you worded it perfectly.
A couple of seconds ago I commented to nicenicegirl that it baffles me why everybody seems to prefer Stefan (Kat, Lexi, Elena, Becky). On the surfice he seems like the nicer guy, but wouldn't anybody who spends a bit longer with these two guys see that none is BETTER than the other?
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I'm thinking this is a meta you did here. Because you're not focussing on one scene or even one show, but taking a helicopter view of something bigger.
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I do want to discuss one point with you that I don't see exactly as you state here, however: and that is Damon trying to steal Elena. Because he obviously had that intent (and stated it quite clearly) in 1x03 FNB--but Elena had been vervained, so he couldn't execute his mission, thus he went to poke at Stefan and ended up killing Coach Tanner.
Secondly, when Damon kissed "Elena" on the porch in 1x22, while I don't believe he was doing it to "steal" Elena (though at the beginning of the episode he does say to Stefan that he's come to the Founder's Day festival to "eat cotton candy and steal your girl"), he kissed her as Stefan says in 2x01 "Because you feel something for her!" I do believe that even though it wasn't about Stefan anymore then, he definitely didn't care if it bothered Stefan (hence him saying I kissed Elena!). So, now, given what's happened, I don't think Damon would make any moves himself, either, it ( ... )
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Because he obviously had that intent (and stated it quite clearly) in 1x03 FNB--but Elena had been vervained, so he couldn't execute his mission
Oh, I really should have added that in! I think you're absolutely right there, but I suppose I don't see that as 'stealing' because it was done solely for the purpose of aggravating Stefan. He didn't have a vested interest in the matter apart from the fact that Stefan apparently wanted Elena so Damon wanted to ruin that for him and hold good to his promise of eternal misery. He might've been interested in Elena, but I don't think his attempt at seduction was for that purpose; it wasn't for Elena, it was for Stefan. And Damon was like that, the bitter remark about how Stefan shouldn't have been saved wasn't a flashback, it was said in real-time, so there were a lot of issues there. And ironically enough, that changed just as he actually fell for Elena! It can be argued both ways, it could be for Elena, because he believes Stefan is 'better' for her which is why ( ... )
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It is interesting to think about a "talk" after the kiss on the porch and one after the kiss on the bed. He won't want to talk about it because he'll assume he knows why she did it and what it meant, and there's no need to discuss that. The Porch Kiss would have been discussion worthy--if it had been Elena ( ... )
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Yeah, I'd love to see the explorations of Damon's development from all angles, and I'm so glad the show is exploring that (even with regards to Stefan now, I imagine, esp with him gone). And that line, SO MUCH LOVE <3 TVD just keeps reminding me why I love ( ... )
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THIS!
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I think the most poignant "brotherly love" moments for me are the more subtle ones you pointed out--ESPECIALLY the one where Stefan tried to justify Damon snapping Jeremy's neck in "The Return" by claiming that Damon only did it because he saw the right <3 when you take into account all the events that preceded that defense (Damon kissing Katherine while thinking she was Elena, his gloating about it to Stefan) that was a pretty darn awesome and brotherly thing for Stefan to to =) (all the other moments were as awesome too, but that one really stood out for me for some reason).
Which is why I genuinely think that in season three, if Damon/Elena does happen, the initiative will have to be Elena’s. Damon playing an agential role would seem rather out-of-character to me, not to mention, a little disappointing after what Stefan’s done for him. YOU KNOW WHAT, I hope this means that we’ll return to first season Damon/Elena dynamic, with a lot of snark and accidental attraction because they’ll both have to resist ( ... )
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perfectly put <3 I (like you) totally still ship them and everything, but I'm really mourning the dynamic of season 1 and really season 2 =( I really hope we get it back in season 3 though, fingers crossed!!
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