Is it just me ...

[winter_rose91]

Comments

[e_schemer]

ROFL: 'Smartly dressed, polite, hiding crazy women.'
=D
Creepy lol. But we could resurrect this debate and cite Buffy, Star Trek, Harry Potter and drive ourselves mad, MAD I tell you.
Though massively unfair to, say, Ianto Fabulous, Gwen is given so much screentime because that's RTDs staple tactic: showing it through the eyes of the civilians; something I've not come across in US shows as often as in UK/Welsh ones.

[winter_rose91]

I think the over use of Gwen as our POV character is TW biggest flaw. Far enough use her in the first ep to introduce the auidence to the Hub etc., but after a few episodes, it becomes stale and Gwen becomes boring.

My fav, epsiode is Fragments, partly because Gwen doesn't feature in it quite so heavily and it allows us insight into Tosh and Ianto - the two most underused, and most interesting, characters on the show.

[e_schemer]

I respectfully disagree, and I think it's worth repeating: each member of the cast got a fairly even look in over the first two series. I love all of the original team, but it looks like Jack and Gwen's show, (both of whom continued to evolve with Tosh, Owen and Ianto--and Rhys) because they are both the strongest presences on screen 75% of the time.

[kelticbanshee]

Well, I haven't watched Firefly yet (so much sci-fi, so little time), so I can't really say much. But given it's part of Josh Whedon's universe, and how many references to Buffy and Angel one can easily find in Torchwood, the parallels wouldn't surprise me...

[dasyuridae]

Considering how much of CoE was directly lifted from Quatarmass, it's really not all that surprising.

Honestly, I've always likened RTD's writing to something like that of a beginning fanfic writer-- taking someone else's story and changing minor details then passing it off as his own.

I'm sure RTD aspires to be like Joss Whedon-- which will probably never happen since Whedon has talent.

[winter_rose91]

Yes. I liked Firefly from the first ep I watched. It took me an entire series before I could even consider liking Torchwood! Whedon's writing is superior.

[liliaeth]

I have to say I like Torchwood better. The characters are more likeable, the acting's better and in short, it doesn't have many of the pittfalls of Whedon's work. (aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)

But then I never liked Firefly, it took me five eps before I even halfway remembered the names of the Firefly characters and even then I had to force myself to keep watching the show because it pretty much bored me.

re: aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)

[hohaiyee]

Ahahaha, I was a Joss fan first, and Torchwood's similarity to some Joss stuff was why I was drawn...I think I remember another Buffyverse fan telling me that Torchwood is like Buffyverse, but with sci-fi, and LIGHTER, in light of S3 wankery, ahaha

Re: aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)

[liliaeth]

Oh I was a Joss fan first as well. Big time Buffy fan

Re: aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)

[e_schemer]

Is that pregnancy you're referring to the one from her wedding day? Because she was unwillingly impregnated by a savage, belly-ripping alien.

As far as Gwen--are you joking? You cannot still believe that that is the reason Tosh and Ianto kicked the bucket. These 'non-conformist' characters were part of this cast to start with; their deaths were incidental and not entirely unexpected, considering how death-heavy TW is.
And what about white and straight Owen, his death was excruciating--what was the message there?

If you want to analyse the 'white and straight and conformist' characters in CoE--please, explain to me the Frobisher family's deaths.

RTD steals from Joss

[hohaiyee]

...and does it poorly, The End.

Re: RTD steals from Joss

[e_schemer]

I say, steady on. CoE, in fact most of TW, is extraordinary television.