I have to say I like Torchwood better. The characters are more likeable, the acting's better and in short, it doesn't have many of the pittfalls of Whedon's work. (aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)
But then I never liked Firefly, it took me five eps before I even halfway remembered the names of the Firefly characters and even then I had to force myself to keep watching the show because it pretty much bored me.
re: aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)hohaiyeeJanuary 1 2010, 20:38:42 UTC
Ahahaha, I was a Joss fan first, and Torchwood's similarity to some Joss stuff was why I was drawn...I think I remember another Buffyverse fan telling me that Torchwood is like Buffyverse, but with sci-fi, and LIGHTER, in light of S3 wankery, ahaha
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Re: aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)e_schemerJanuary 2 2010, 16:04:19 UTC
Is that pregnancy you're referring to the one from her wedding day? Because she was unwillingly impregnated by a savage, belly-ripping alien.
As far as Gwen--are you joking? You cannot still believe that that is the reason Tosh and Ianto kicked the bucket. These 'non-conformist' characters were part of this cast to start with; their deaths were incidental and not entirely unexpected, considering how death-heavy TW is. And what about white and straight Owen, his death was excruciating--what was the message there?
If you want to analyse the 'white and straight and conformist' characters in CoE--please, explain to me the Frobisher family's deaths.
Re: aka that every single relationship instantly leads to pain and disaster.)hohaiyeeJanuary 2 2010, 17:31:35 UTC
Um, I think it's pretty obvious that I was speaking about Gwen's pregnancy in CoE, it takes some reallllly shitty reading to think I was talking about the alien one.
Gwen doesn't want to keep the baby, and I don't think it was just because of the dangerous world they now found themselves in, earlier, during the main series, Rhys wanted the baby, but Gwen doesn't seem to want it. In fact, the way she talk about her life, I get the feeling that she listed 'marry a man, have a baby', because she felt she was supposed to.
...but, the way I see Gwen's character, at least the way Myles plays her, intentionally or not, is that she emotionally still haven't left her teen years yet, she doesn't want to 'settle down', or more importantly, she hasn't figure herself out yet.
So in this light, it's really 2. Only someone white and straight and normal within wedlock (and one of the main cast of course), can survive, even if they aren't happy with their lot, they have to stick with it or they'll die. Torchwood can't exist, Earth can't be ready
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Don't let me drag your Torchwood down, DEAL WITH IThohaiyeeJanuary 2 2010, 20:13:03 UTC
Deal with it or step away from the internet.
Torchwood is tag on to Doctor Who...with more camp and crack which had previously distincted it from Doctor Who, but well, it's gone now. I would NOT call it influential at all, rather, it's influenced, it reference a lot of other stuff so it was a 'fan favourite' (fan being those who were drawn to it because of what it referenced, Jossverse and comics, Harkness was named from a Marvel character, Retcon is a comic book history rewriting habit).
Think of another example of British drama with so much power, then get back to me.
Lord of The Rings Have you been living in a well? If it's the one from The Ring, say hi to RTD, I wouldn't wish him luck on spreading his misery via media, but say hi.
Of course death is story development, death is part of life!
A part of it, but it is NOT that all consuming, which a lot of Darker and Edgier miss. Honey, we've been to Outer Space, the Challenger was a tragedy, a part of it, but most times the human race comes out okay, especially when some
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LJ commen limit, sigh...okay, the complexity of GwenhohaiyeeJanuary 2 2010, 20:15:47 UTC
I'm pro-choice. So I do not see Gwen not wanting a baby or not wanting to keep her pregnancy as a bad thing...I pointed it out as an example of Gwen not having a happy ending after all, so in S3, it was actually an example of #2...even bleaker than #1. In #1, we have classics where the focus is on the white straight people's happy ending, while the minorities get the shaft, even in happier stories (for example, they remain servants for life). In #2, more prevalent in modern Darker and Edgier, even they don't get the happy ending, but they are the only survivors, and the Unfortunate Implications are doubled when the situation implies that those that could conform, must conform to survive
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One more link on unequal treatment of minorities in mediahohaiyeeJanuary 2 2010, 17:39:36 UTC
Intentionally or not, when thinking of who to kill off or who to mistreat, the white straight characters as a whole are relatively more immune than the ones that aren't, as RTD have said, "you don't rape Snow White". Tosh was repeatedly sexually harassed or threatened in Torchwood (most overt being beacons brecons, and then Adam), in Gwen's case, it was only ever the Cute Bad Boys that are painted that way, Owen or Captain Spike
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But then I never liked Firefly, it took me five eps before I even halfway remembered the names of the Firefly characters and even then I had to force myself to keep watching the show because it pretty much bored me.
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As far as Gwen--are you joking? You cannot still believe that that is the reason Tosh and Ianto kicked the bucket. These 'non-conformist' characters were part of this cast to start with; their deaths were incidental and not entirely unexpected, considering how death-heavy TW is.
And what about white and straight Owen, his death was excruciating--what was the message there?
If you want to analyse the 'white and straight and conformist' characters in CoE--please, explain to me the Frobisher family's deaths.
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Gwen doesn't want to keep the baby, and I don't think it was just because of the dangerous world they now found themselves in, earlier, during the main series, Rhys wanted the baby, but Gwen doesn't seem to want it. In fact, the way she talk about her life, I get the feeling that she listed 'marry a man, have a baby', because she felt she was supposed to.
...but, the way I see Gwen's character, at least the way Myles plays her, intentionally or not, is that she emotionally still haven't left her teen years yet, she doesn't want to 'settle down', or more importantly, she hasn't figure herself out yet.
So in this light, it's really 2. Only someone white and straight and normal within wedlock (and one of the main cast of course), can survive, even if they aren't happy with their lot, they have to stick with it or they'll die. Torchwood can't exist, Earth can't be ready ( ... )
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Torchwood is tag on to Doctor Who...with more camp and crack which had previously distincted it from Doctor Who, but well, it's gone now. I would NOT call it influential at all, rather, it's influenced, it reference a lot of other stuff so it was a 'fan favourite' (fan being those who were drawn to it because of what it referenced, Jossverse and comics, Harkness was named from a Marvel character, Retcon is a comic book history rewriting habit).
Think of another example of British drama with so much power, then get back to me.
Lord of The Rings Have you been living in a well? If it's the one from The Ring, say hi to RTD, I wouldn't wish him luck on spreading his misery via media, but say hi.
Of course death is story development, death is part of life!
A part of it, but it is NOT that all consuming, which a lot of Darker and Edgier miss. Honey, we've been to Outer Space, the Challenger was a tragedy, a part of it, but most times the human race comes out okay, especially when some ( ... )
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