The Fanish Mixer: The Vorlons are Double-Dipping Again.

[viciouswishes]

So here's a thought I had while rummaging through my flist today. Turning Spike into a girl and making him have sex with Buffy doesn't make femmeslash. No, seriously. The only way that can be femmeslash is if you convincingly make Spike a MTF (male-to-female transsexual) and that's even regardless of what's under his skirt. But Spike with a magical

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[viciouswishes]

It actually did literally explode. When pottery has excess water in it and is put in the kiln, it explodes with a loud gunshot sound and ends up in pieces. As if porridge had congealed. ;)

[viciouswishes]

Yeah, people are malicious. I'm always leary of clicking on links.

[cupiecake]

soap+water usually equals clean...?

[viciouswishes]

I was being silly, silly. See you later today.

[sanda56]

Turning Spike into a girl and making him have sex with Buffy doesn't make femmeslash.

Dunno. If he'd got all the *bits* I'd imagine he'd have all the hormones and his behaviour would be more feminine. It wouldn't stop him wanting Buffy 'cos that him (or indeed her) but with a magically totally feminine body he'd be a dyke.

Don't yell at me. I've not been well, y'know. !

[viciouswishes]

I don't yell. Okay, that's not true. I don't yell over the internet, just at boys for leaving the toilet seat up.

In gender theory (and application), one is the gender they identify with. If a biological man identifies as a woman, she is a woman. If a biological woman identifies as a man, he is a man. Girl!Spike does not identify as a woman because he has the bits (parts, hormones, etc.). He considers himself a man trapped in a woman's body and thus is not a woman, making sex with Buffy not femmeslash.

Does that help?

[sanda56]

Phew! Glad about the shouting. ;)

He considers himself a man trapped in a woman's body and thus is not a woman, making sex with Buffy not femmeslash.

Well OK, if that's how the story went it makes sense.

It's just that having a rather wobbly sexuality I've rather assumed that if I woke up male one day I'd just get on with it. Of course I've no idea why this would happen and why I've given it so much thought. :P Really don't see myself as a bloke though.

[viciouswishes]

Apparently, the recent story that made me think of the rant was actually one were Spike was born a woman. Which err... suspension of disbelief.

It really comes down to Nature v. Nurture. Nature says that you'd want to be a woman and be a MTF, but Nurture arguements say you'd be just fine. At least, that's the simple definition. *g*

[bogwitch]

I suspect I know the one you're talking about. I tried it and I just couldn't get my head round it. (I quite like stories were Spike becomes a woman).

[viciouswishes]

I didn't actually read the story as those stories aren't my thing. I just read the description and realized that it was the only girl!Spike story I'd come across where the author claimed something like that. So tigger, but not all-reaching issue.

[mireille719]

I did actually read the story, if it's the one I'm thinking of (and I suspect it is) mostly because it set off my "wtf?" meter.

It was pretty pointless, but I'd class it as femslash. Spike had apparently always been female, in that universe.

[viciouswishes]

Usually, something has to be more outrageous to hit the "WTF" meter.

Good to know. Yes, that would be f/f sex.

[viciouswishes]

Lol. Though part of me really thinks that someone actually just takes Beaver as a referance to Leave It, to Beaver, especially consider RT fondness for names like Neptune and Mars.