The Fanish Mixer: The Vorlons are Double-Dipping Again.

Sep 30, 2005 01:10

So here's a thought I had while rummaging through my flist today. Turning Spike into a girl and making him have sex with Buffy doesn't make femmeslash. No, seriously. The only way that can be femmeslash is if you convincingly make Spike a MTF (male-to-female transsexual) and that's even regardless of what's under his skirt. But Spike with a magical ( Read more... )

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sanda56 September 30 2005, 09:57:56 UTC
Turning Spike into a girl and making him have sex with Buffy doesn't make femmeslash.

Dunno. If he'd got all the *bits* I'd imagine he'd have all the hormones and his behaviour would be more feminine. It wouldn't stop him wanting Buffy 'cos that him (or indeed her) but with a magically totally feminine body he'd be a dyke.

Don't yell at me. I've not been well, y'know. !

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viciouswishes September 30 2005, 17:23:38 UTC
I don't yell. Okay, that's not true. I don't yell over the internet, just at boys for leaving the toilet seat up.

In gender theory (and application), one is the gender they identify with. If a biological man identifies as a woman, she is a woman. If a biological woman identifies as a man, he is a man. Girl!Spike does not identify as a woman because he has the bits (parts, hormones, etc.). He considers himself a man trapped in a woman's body and thus is not a woman, making sex with Buffy not femmeslash.

Does that help?

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sanda56 September 30 2005, 18:02:00 UTC
Phew! Glad about the shouting. ;)

He considers himself a man trapped in a woman's body and thus is not a woman, making sex with Buffy not femmeslash.

Well OK, if that's how the story went it makes sense.

It's just that having a rather wobbly sexuality I've rather assumed that if I woke up male one day I'd just get on with it. Of course I've no idea why this would happen and why I've given it so much thought. :P Really don't see myself as a bloke though.

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viciouswishes October 3 2005, 04:38:32 UTC
Apparently, the recent story that made me think of the rant was actually one were Spike was born a woman. Which err... suspension of disbelief.

It really comes down to Nature v. Nurture. Nature says that you'd want to be a woman and be a MTF, but Nurture arguements say you'd be just fine. At least, that's the simple definition. *g*

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sanda56 October 3 2005, 08:39:17 UTC
...were Spike was born a woman. Which err... suspension of disbelief.

Oh dear! No, I really can't get my head round my concept. ROFL

At least, that's the simple definition. *g*

Yep! It's all perfectly straightforward... why am I thinking of that speech Giles makes at the end of 'Lie to Me'? ;)

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