12-21 There's Something About Mary

[supernut101]

What did you think of this episode?  I'd love to hear it in the following poll and/or comments!
Poll 12-21 There's Something About Mary

My thoughts -

Comments

[emmatheslayer]

This episode made me mad on a lot of different levels. I guess it was because I am pro John and what lady Toni said really hurt Me. this is the first time I wanted to stop watching I was so upset. I did like bad ass Dean I just wanted him to kill Toni like now but I hope the finale is better so I have something to hold on to plus they killed my favorite girl so I was mad may have to rematch to see if I still don't like it

[supernutjapan]

When you next rewatch it, remember that Toni is a baddy and trying to twist the truth to make Mary feel bad. I liked that actually because that just shows how wrong that idea is- it is like the writers are discrediting the whole idea some fans have that John was a terrible father :)

[sillie82]

I'm not feeling very positive towards this ep. It was mostly boring and just made me angry on many points. I'm kinda fearing for the last two eps now because I'm not sure I like where this is going... :/

[casey28]

I feel the exact same way. :/

[supernutjapan]

Really hope you enjoy the last two!!

[casey28]

I'm upset about Eileen... what a loss, and so unnecessary. Her death was at the beginning of the ep, (usually used for disposable, anonymous victims), without her saying any lines. It being done in the cruelest way possible isn't a "good" thing... it's an insult to target her disability in this way. She didn't even get a hunter's funeral. If her phone was bugged, she could've used a different phone to contact Sam and Dean... sending them a letter doesn't make sense. But like the rest of the ep, things don't have to make sense, they only have make the plot move forward, and that's not a good thing.

I don't understand why you admire Ketch so much, especially after what he did to Eileen. And I didn't sympathize with Mary, or cry any tears for her... my tears were for Eileen.

[supernutjapan]

Personally, I would not have been surprised if they just killed her and she hadn't come back on screen at all. I thought that is what would happen, in Ireland. I also suspect she was only going to be on the show for three eps so it was necessary to kill her off somehow.

It being done in the cruelest way possible isn't a "good" thing... it's an insult to target her disability in this way. I do not understand this way of thinking. An insult to whom? And why would a baddy care about insulting a disability? A psychopath would probably relish it. You feel anger, then feel anger for Ketch, not for the writers

[casey28]

Personally, I would not have been surprised if they just killed her and she hadn't come back on screen at all. I thought that is what would happen, in Ireland.

So, you expected her death to be down off screen, as if she didn't even deserve any kind of death scene?

I also suspect she was only going to be on the show for three eps so it was necessary to kill her off somehow.

Even if she was only booked to be on three eps, it doesn't mean that it's necessary to kill her off. It's the other way around... she's only in 3 eps because they decided to kill off her character. She could've easily returned for more eps.

I do not understand this way of thinking. An insult to whom? And why would a baddy care about insulting a disability?It has nothing to do with Ketch. It's an insult to Eileen for her disability to be used against her in this way. She was a great hunter, someone who rose above her limitations, but here, her disabilities made her a victim, unable to fight back. In the end, she's defined by her disability, and that's

[supernutjapan]

So, you expected her death to be down off screen, as if she didn't even deserve any kind of death scene?

It's cute how you've grown so attached to this character. I didn't say she didn't deserve a death scene. I said I didn't expect it. And, no I don't care about her as much as you do. I care more about Sam and Dean and the plot. We hardly got to know her even in the eps she was in. I care for her around the same as I do Max and Alicia. Of course, she could have become a major character, she was adorable, and I loved her with Sam, but maybe her schedule didn't allow it.

An insult to Eileen - so you are talking about insulting a character in the show... by a baddy... what was he supposed to do? Let her commit harakiri? He's a baddy of the worst kind. He is supposed to insult her. That is what makes her death so horrible and make us (and Sam and Dean) outraged at Ketch and the BMoL. As to the hunter's funeral, I am very sure she got one. We just didn't see it on screen.

So, Ketch can cross any line, murder Magda, Mitch

[hugemind]

The BMoL are just a bunch of lying and cheating hypocrites. They may claim to be ridding the world of monsters to make it safer, but what they really like is torturing and manipulating people and things. That just pisses me off. Losing Eileen felt so pointless, but the boys were very competent.

[supernutjapan]

Yeah. It´s really too bad there weren't any more interesting twists there.

Sam and Dean were awesome ❤

[roguem]

I am a bit conflicted about this episode.
Like you, the Lucifer/Crowley scenes bored me, and I must confess I am very much over those two characters. I felt the reversal of power thing was a bit of a flimsy plot-point.

While I never got very attached to Eileen I felt her death scene was unnecessarily cruel. I felt her character deserved something more.
Overall I'm kind of sick of characters like Crowley, Rowena and Lucifer sticking around long after they've been interesting, while the Winchester's true allies get picked off one by one.

I wasn't expecting that to be what they were doing with Mary, and am wondering how, or if, she'll snap out of it.
I am kind of thinking Ketch left the boys and Toni to die that way, so Mary wouldn't have to actually witness their deaths. In some very messed up way he cares about her.

I really liked the boys going into action mode and taking out some of the BMoL

I liked the episode over all, and still haven't gotten to see the last two episodes, so am curious to see where things go from here.

[supernutjapan]

I am kind of thinking Ketch left the boys and Toni to die that way, so Mary wouldn't have to actually witness their deaths. In some very messed up way he cares about her.
Good point! Thank you for your comments and I'm sorry I seem to have missed getting back to them :(