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starhawk2005

Meta discussion on 'Acceptance' episode

Sep 14, 2005 08:55

Before reading this post, be warned that it definitely contains spoilers for last night’s ep., and may contain spoilers for future S2 eps. SO TURN BACK NOW IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE SPOILED.

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marcasite September 14 2005, 20:33:12 UTC

It's funny. I am so new to the House fandom and everyone here has been overwhelmingly welcoming. I just wanted to comment to you that I think it's great that you can vent, share, bitch and moan about how you are feeling and still able to get your point across without it being vicious. I joined the house_md community and was very appalled yesterday at how bitter and hateful some of the comments that were thrown around.

I might not agree with everything that you posted but I think that you get much respect from me.

"Not to mention, I’m also getting amazingly sick of House always being right."

ITA with you here. I think in a way it dehumanizes him when he is always right and it gets harder to keep liking a "mean, know-it-all". I like him a little bit better as a "snarky, vulnerable-beneath-the-surface" House.

starhawk2005 September 14 2005, 20:41:50 UTC

I just wanted to comment to you that I think it's great that you can vent, share, bitch and moan about how you are feeling and still able to get your point across without it being vicious

*shrug* Just the way I am. Got picked on a lot as a child, so as an adult I try to respect others and disagree politely. If everyone did that, the shipper!wars and Cam!hate would be much reduced.

I joined the house_md community and was very appalled yesterday at how bitter and hateful some of the comments that were thrown around.

I think part of the problem is that too many people are 'personalizing' the characters. Meaning that they call Cam names and tear her down as if she was a real person. She isn't. She's a construct created by writers (as, of course, is House and all the other characters). Which is why when I have an emotional reaction to a character, I want to crawl inside the writer's heads and know WHY they chose to write/direct this character to act in this particular way. But to hate a character and spend my energy bitching about her ( ... )

marcasite September 14 2005, 20:54:31 UTC

She's a construct created by writers (as, of course, is House and all the other characters).

I agree here. I think we get ourselves so wrapped up in the fandom that we really start to believe that these characters are real and I know I have been guilty of this in the past. I know for me I tend to latch on tightly to a fandom and everything they do or don't do I take so personally. That's why I can't jump in on the Cam!hate regardless of how I think the character is being protrayed.

Anything in particular you disagree with?Well for the most part I agreed with what you said about the way they are turning Cam into wimpy!Cam. Funny but yesterday I even noticed someone took the screencap from Shrek (Puss in Boots with the big sad eyes) and had a screencap of Cam next to it with the same sad eyes and honestly I thought it was pretty funny because in that one moment on the screen I really thought she was going to start to cry ( ... )

starhawk2005 September 14 2005, 21:42:14 UTC

Yes, the Cam/Puss in boots comparison was kind of funny and annoying to me at the same time. Ah well, people are entitled to their opinions. There's Opinion, and there's Truth, and ne'er the twain shall meet.

I just really think that the writers are setting Cam up right now to be wimpy and I really do believe that they will redeem her. It's all in the how.

I hope they redeem her. But I really wish they'd found a more plausible way to do so. It strains credibility that she'd ever get through med school without having dealt with these issues. Some hesitancy/dislike of telling a patient bad news, maybe feeling a little blue afterwards? More believable (and House would probably still pick on her for it, so it would still meet the dramatic needs, if a little less melodramatically. But (possibly) running dx tests in the hopes of a deus ex machina dx, practically crying herself while giving the terminal dx, and hugging the patient as if it was her own sis that was dying? Wrong wrong wrrooooong! They would've booted her ass out of medicine ( ... )

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princessklutz04 September 14 2005, 20:48:53 UTC

Alright. My huge, main beef was House Cam. First of all, why the hell did she change her hairstyle? I's idiotic. Are they making her blond to make a point? (no offense). House's generally snarky attitude isn't mean, but just him. Last night, towards Cam only, he was actually mean. However, on the chat last night, we discussed the fact that his anger and general nastiness to her is all part of his attempt to push her away. It's all about Freud, people. Another thing. The last scene, where he wiped the symptoms of grief off on the x-ray board, did anyone notice the parallel between that and Cameron's behaviour? In this ep, she seems majorly depressed. Could it be over losing House? Is that what House thinks? I think that there is definitely a parallel there and the writers are shutting down that venue. But, we can always hope not ( ... )

starhawk2005 September 14 2005, 21:35:46 UTC

I actually like the new hairdo. It's more sophisticated than the last one, even if it is more blonde.

towards Cam only, he was actually mean

Yes, the nastiness was unparalleled. Which I hope means he's either displacing his anger with Stacy onto Cam/is a sign that he still wants Cam but is doing the opposite (what we Freudian types like to call 'reaction formation').

did anyone notice the parallel between that and Cameron's behaviour?

Yep. But I think she's still in the anger stage. Depression, we might see next ep. But those 5 stages also parallel House's behaviour, too, although I'm not sure if it has to do with Cam 'letting him go', or with him starting to integrate what happened to him with the infarction and with Stacy.

ITA on the MRI stuff.

CAM WAS ANNOYING

I thought the exact same thing - and I'm an H/C shipper! I'm supposed to like Cam. I blame the writers. Did anyone see if one of the Triumvirate of Evil - Moran/Kaplow/Blake - wrote this ep ( ... )

princessklutz04 September 14 2005, 21:42:28 UTC

on your thought about the 'TB or not TB' ep, we can only hope. *teh sigh*

starhawk2005 September 14 2005, 21:52:28 UTC

*prays to TPTB*

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litashields September 14 2005, 21:07:49 UTC

Okay, it could just be wishful thinking on my part, but did anyone else notice the correlation at the end between the House/Stacy trust issues and when House erased acceptance? I could be projecting, but I thought last night that after the whole "I trusted you" and " I did what I thought was right" blah blah etc, that maybe there might be a corralary(sp?) between that and House pausing before he erased acceptance, my projection being that maybe House had finally figured out that he and Stacy had too many issues and that the whole H/S thing would never work. Am I crazy?

starhawk2005 September 14 2005, 21:47:41 UTC

Not crazy at all. But I'm not sure about that whole 5 stages thing. Does it apply to Cameron, and him thinking that she's coming to accept the fact that he doesn't want her (although, of course, privately, he does)? Is it him coming to accept that Cam might be really letting him go? Is it him coming to accept Stacy's role in the infarction? That she left? That she's married and moved on with her life?

Too many possibilities. And I think one could make good arguments for all of them. We'll just have to see where the writers go with it.

litashields September 15 2005, 00:26:21 UTC

*glances around quickly before shoving House and Cam into a closet and locking it*
I am happy now. *is laughing*

starhawk2005 September 15 2005, 14:55:36 UTC

*giggle* Could work. I'm willing to try it, anyways... *runs in a zig-zag, trying to avoid the spawning of yet another plotbunny*

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katakombs September 14 2005, 21:45:24 UTC

First, the minor point: I have a question for RSL. In the last scene with Wilson and Cameron, Wilson is looking down, away, to the side, anywhere but at Cameron as she's talking about her husband. It seemed weird to me, Wilson is the one with empathy who can deal with difficult emotions. So why did RSL not look JM in the face? Is it because Wilson didn't want to get emotionally involved with Cameron because he thinks of her as House's territory? Because he was embarassed remembering something similar he did when he was first starting out? Why that acting choice?

Now the rant: new season, same contrivance. Cameron gets made to look foolish because House can do no wrong. All season 1 he was pushing the ducklings not to be satifisfied with the easy diagnosis (as Foreman's former mentor Dr. Marty was) but to keep pushing and get the definitive diagnosis. And Cameron especially he pushed to be more aggressive, telling her that she had the right answer but she almost killed her patient because she wouldn't fight hard enough for ( ... )

starhawk2005 September 14 2005, 21:58:01 UTC

So why did RSL not look JM in the face?

Guilt over the fact that he'd warned her not to 'crush' House, and now he knows that House crushed her? Just my speculation.

Alternatively, maybe he sees a bit of himself in Cam, or rather, how he USED to be with patients, and now he feels bad for her or doesn't 'want to go back there' emotionally?

Because he was embarassed remembering something similar he did when he was first starting out?

Yeah, that's what I just said. Cookies for us both, heheh!

elling her that she had the right answer but she almost killed her patient because she wouldn't fight hard enough for it.

True, eh? I forgot about that.

Y'know, House, if you're going to screw Cam, just use your dick and get it over with, OK? This mind-fuckery is starting to stir up my long-buried homicidal urges....

So why is House so invested in keeping her from growing and thus making sure she doesn't?Because he doesn't want her to grow up and leave 'the nest'? Because he sees her 'letting him go' as a rejection and wants payback? Because ( ... )

veracifix September 14 2005, 22:38:59 UTC

Not to mention, I’m also getting amazingly sick of House always being right.
Same here! I mean okay we love him because he's so smart, funny and always right. but 'always' is an ugly word, there's no fun if something's 'always'.
I was so convinced this time that Cam would actually be right
I know! Which is kind the same as w/House being right all the time. What were the writers thinking? I was very disappointed.

Why have Cam and Cuddy suddenly changed hairstyles?
Yeah like someone should notice! say a snarky comment from House, or Chase says something, anything!

Love to stay and chat, but i gotta run, later!
THANK YOU!!! for all this 'bitching' because i agree with it completely.

starhawk2005 September 14 2005, 23:06:48 UTC

but 'always' is an ugly word, there's no fun if something's 'always'.

And he becomes even more insufferably smug. A little smugness is hot, but out-and-out arrogance makes me want to smack him, not screw him. Or maybe that's just me.

say a snarky comment from House

He did, but I think it was more to distract her, than an actual compliment. He would've said the same even if she hadn't changed her hair, is what I mean. It was misdirection, as usual.

Well, thx for your thx, LOL! ;)