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I am mystified as to what the damned canon writers are thinking, turning Cam into this wimpy!doc.
This was running through my mind for the entirity of the episode. However, this morning as I was sitting in class, supposedly listening to the professor I came across a plausable theory.
This is Cameron's way of (ostensibly--we 'shippers know the TRUTH, dammit!) breaking off from House. In season one she was dependent on his methods of diagnosis, running to perform seemingly pointless tests and later finding that he was dead-on in terms of his diagnosis.
Cameron is learning to stand on her own two feet. She's taking his methods and applying them on her own, using her own intelligence to figure out the "puzzle," perhaps trying to gain respect and notoriety. After all, if she truly has "jumped on the bandwagon" and thus "hates" House, wouldn't it be a kick in the nuts if he found that she didn't rely on him for diagnostics?
There's two cents. What do you think? Can we make this a nickel?
In season one she was dependent on his methods of diagnosis, running to perform seemingly pointless tests and later finding that he was dead-on in terms of his diagnosis.
I agree. Which is why I feel pissed about the whole thing last night - well, doubly-pissed, actually. First, he rakes her over the coals for using his own methods of diagnosis....and then after ALL THAT, it turns out that she's wrong! That's getting screwed (as a character) not once, but twice! *fumes*
After all, if she truly has "jumped on the bandwagon" and thus "hates" House, wouldn't it be a kick in the nuts if he found that she didn't rely on him for diagnostics?
Absolutely. Which is why I would have looooooooooooved for it to have paid off, instead of turning into yet another showcase of Wimpy!Cam and Always!Correct!House.
We can always make it a nickel....maybe even twenty bucks, heheh! ;)
he rakes her over the coals for using his own methods of diagnosis....and then after ALL THAT, it turns out that she's wrong!
In his own snarky way...perhaps he's teaching her? House's method is House's method, unorthodox as it is. As we all have clearly seen, House doesn't seem to have hang-ups or ethics (on the surface, at any rate)--given that he will stop a surgery by spitting on a fellow surgeon or threatening Koreans with their own stereotypes ("nail salons and dumpling shops"). Cameron is the untouched beauty, the doctor who values human life and emotions, and he seems extremely reluctant to subject her to it. He is somehow safeguarding her emotions by being cold, calculating, distant.
I would have looooooooooooved for it to have paid off, instead of turning into yet another showcase of Wimpy!Cam and Always!Correct!House.
As much as I would have enjoyed it...in the end, it would have felt cheap and dirty and not in the good way. To see such a drastic change in a character with no setup is a mark of bad writing, I think
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given that he will stop a surgery by spitting on a fellow surgeon or threatening Koreans with their own stereotypes ("nail salons and dumpling shops"
I think House DOES value human life. He stopped the surgery because if the patient was stuck in bed recovering after surgery, more poison was going to get dumped into his system from his fat cells, and he'd die. And he threatened those Chinese parents because he needed them to sign a surgical release form, again to save the patient's life.
In this case, I think his beef with Cameron was that she was treating this patient because she was trying to come up with excuses why the patient wasn't terminal/didn't want to tell the patient she was terminal and delaying the inevitable. Which, given this is Moran!Cam (Wimpy!Doc!Cam) we're talking about, is probably true, although it still may have been the case that Cam may have been right. But the point is, it SHOULDN'T be true. Any doc with this problem would've dealt with it back in med school/residency/internships, or would've been kicked out
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I agree with you about Cam, but I disagree with you on a couple of medical points.
If the tattoo + magnet = ouch thing didn't work on Mythbusters, I bet it's because they used real tattoo ink, didn't they? I've never really watched it, but that's my guess; normal tattoo ink isn't as reactive. There was even a line House said to the Death Row guy about "You got those in jail, didn't you? Because jail tattoos are more metallic."
Also, I've had several MRIs of the brain myself, and I've never been restrained. My MRIs were exactly like the ones shown on House, although, granted, without all the thrashing, screaming, seizures, intubations, and visions. Maybe it's a variable thing -- I've never had to bite down on anything, much less been restrained at all.
f the tattoo + magnet = ouch thing didn't work on Mythbusters
That, I don't know. I do know they deliberately put in a lot of metal. On Mythbusters, if the myth doesn't work at first, they usually push the boundaries to see if anything, no matter how extreme, will eventually fit the myth, so although it's been awhile since I saw the tattoo-testing ep., I believe they would've loaded the mixes up with as many metals as possible. But anyone who's seen the show and has a clearer memory of it than I, please chime in.
Also, I've had several MRIs of the brain myself, and I've never been restrained.
Weird. Maybe it's the difference between a standard MRI and a functional MRI. Another poster who has had an MRI on their leg said that she had to keep very still or they had to redo it, so whether restraint is necessary or not, movement has to be kept to a minimum.
Maybe it's a variable thingPossibly. I read a neuroimaging paper by a well-know researcher over at Massachussetts General Hospital, where they wanted to see what the brains of
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Ah, sorry . . . I don't know anything about Mythbusters, really, so I'm not sure. Logically, it ought to be painful, though -- but maybe not?
Have your MRIs been standard or functional? They did have a kind of headrest thing. I've also seen setups like in the pilot, where there's a kind of helmet that slides down to cover the patient's head. And I've always been told to lie very still -- but I've been able to be still enough on my own, which isn't unusual. I can see that if you're seizing, or too young to understand about holding still, or on coke, you'd need restraints, though.
The ones I'm thinking of, if I remember correctly (it's been a few years) were functional MRIs. And I seem to recall that all of them needed some kind of firm head restraint, including the aforementioned bite-bar.
Of course, the other issue is that there's no way you'd get an instantaneous picture (definitely with fMRI, not sure run-of-the-mill MRI). Half the neuroimaging papers I used to read were pages and PAGES of transformation and movement correction of the data, so I'm sure it would take hours, if not a day or two, to get your fMRI results back... Unless computers have really become that fast over in hospital settings. *shrug*
I have to say that for the most part I agree with you Bonnie. I don't have any issues with what Cameron was doing or saying it was how she was saying it
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I DO want her to stand up to him, and I agree he'll respect her more if she does so. But I also want her to do it more calmly. Like when she was angry with him in 'Heavy'. That tone was perfect. A little angry, but calm and emphatic...
Frankly that's the kind of doctor I would want.
No, I agree. Obsessiveness is good, especially when it saves lives. And when Medicare is paying, heheh!
a better, more compassionate doctorI'm less sure on this. I see depressed/grieving/suicidal patients all the time, and I can and have been compassionate. But that does not extend to being friends with them/hugging them, in most cases. There's a boundary line that cannot be crossed, both for the therapist/medical doctor and for the patient, because it makes things clearer. I do think Cam crossed that line. I definitely got the sense that Cam hugged the patient at the end more for her own benefit than for the patient's, and that's a definite no-no. But other people can disagree with me. I'm only speaking based
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The writers appeared to be more enamored with concept to the detriment of characterization. To me it looked like someone went, "Hey, let's make someone go through the five stages of grief!" And Cameron got folded, bent, and crammed to fit the concept. Which, of course, ended up making her look incompetent.
For Foreman, it was the nature v. nurture concept, which, at least, was handled fairly well for what little we saw of the guy.
Then they went, "Wouldn't it be funny for the pretty boy to be in jail?" So we have the Chase in prison scenes (which, for the most part were at least cut), and I went, eh.
There's a scene in prison where Chase walks in, talking with the warden and gets heckled by all the inmates with "Hey, baby!/Come back here, sweet thing./He is fresh/There go my next conjugal visit-"
Another one is when he finds out he's locked in after searching Clarence's cell and no one's around. Understandably, he wigs.
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This was running through my mind for the entirity of the episode. However, this morning as I was sitting in class, supposedly listening to the professor I came across a plausable theory.
This is Cameron's way of (ostensibly--we 'shippers know the TRUTH, dammit!) breaking off from House. In season one she was dependent on his methods of diagnosis, running to perform seemingly pointless tests and later finding that he was dead-on in terms of his diagnosis.
Cameron is learning to stand on her own two feet. She's taking his methods and applying them on her own, using her own intelligence to figure out the "puzzle," perhaps trying to gain respect and notoriety. After all, if she truly has "jumped on the bandwagon" and thus "hates" House, wouldn't it be a kick in the nuts if he found that she didn't rely on him for diagnostics?
There's two cents. What do you think? Can we make this a nickel?
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I agree. Which is why I feel pissed about the whole thing last night - well, doubly-pissed, actually. First, he rakes her over the coals for using his own methods of diagnosis....and then after ALL THAT, it turns out that she's wrong! That's getting screwed (as a character) not once, but twice! *fumes*
After all, if she truly has "jumped on the bandwagon" and thus "hates" House, wouldn't it be a kick in the nuts if he found that she didn't rely on him for diagnostics?
Absolutely. Which is why I would have looooooooooooved for it to have paid off, instead of turning into yet another showcase of Wimpy!Cam and Always!Correct!House.
We can always make it a nickel....maybe even twenty bucks, heheh! ;)
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In his own snarky way...perhaps he's teaching her? House's method is House's method, unorthodox as it is. As we all have clearly seen, House doesn't seem to have hang-ups or ethics (on the surface, at any rate)--given that he will stop a surgery by spitting on a fellow surgeon or threatening Koreans with their own stereotypes ("nail salons and dumpling shops"). Cameron is the untouched beauty, the doctor who values human life and emotions, and he seems extremely reluctant to subject her to it. He is somehow safeguarding her emotions by being cold, calculating, distant.
I would have looooooooooooved for it to have paid off, instead of turning into yet another showcase of Wimpy!Cam and Always!Correct!House.
As much as I would have enjoyed it...in the end, it would have felt cheap and dirty and not in the good way. To see such a drastic change in a character with no setup is a mark of bad writing, I think ( ... )
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I think House DOES value human life. He stopped the surgery because if the patient was stuck in bed recovering after surgery, more poison was going to get dumped into his system from his fat cells, and he'd die. And he threatened those Chinese parents because he needed them to sign a surgical release form, again to save the patient's life.
In this case, I think his beef with Cameron was that she was treating this patient because she was trying to come up with excuses why the patient wasn't terminal/didn't want to tell the patient she was terminal and delaying the inevitable. Which, given this is Moran!Cam (Wimpy!Doc!Cam) we're talking about, is probably true, although it still may have been the case that Cam may have been right. But the point is, it SHOULDN'T be true. Any doc with this problem would've dealt with it back in med school/residency/internships, or would've been kicked out ( ... )
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If the tattoo + magnet = ouch thing didn't work on Mythbusters, I bet it's because they used real tattoo ink, didn't they? I've never really watched it, but that's my guess; normal tattoo ink isn't as reactive. There was even a line House said to the Death Row guy about "You got those in jail, didn't you? Because jail tattoos are more metallic."
Also, I've had several MRIs of the brain myself, and I've never been restrained. My MRIs were exactly like the ones shown on House, although, granted, without all the thrashing, screaming, seizures, intubations, and visions. Maybe it's a variable thing -- I've never had to bite down on anything, much less been restrained at all.
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That, I don't know. I do know they deliberately put in a lot of metal. On Mythbusters, if the myth doesn't work at first, they usually push the boundaries to see if anything, no matter how extreme, will eventually fit the myth, so although it's been awhile since I saw the tattoo-testing ep., I believe they would've loaded the mixes up with as many metals as possible. But anyone who's seen the show and has a clearer memory of it than I, please chime in.
Also, I've had several MRIs of the brain myself, and I've never been restrained.
Weird. Maybe it's the difference between a standard MRI and a functional MRI. Another poster who has had an MRI on their leg said that she had to keep very still or they had to redo it, so whether restraint is necessary or not, movement has to be kept to a minimum.
Maybe it's a variable thingPossibly. I read a neuroimaging paper by a well-know researcher over at Massachussetts General Hospital, where they wanted to see what the brains of ( ... )
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Have your MRIs been standard or functional? They did have a kind of headrest thing. I've also seen setups like in the pilot, where there's a kind of helmet that slides down to cover the patient's head. And I've always been told to lie very still -- but I've been able to be still enough on my own, which isn't unusual. I can see that if you're seizing, or too young to understand about holding still, or on coke, you'd need restraints, though.
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Of course, the other issue is that there's no way you'd get an instantaneous picture (definitely with fMRI, not sure run-of-the-mill MRI). Half the neuroimaging papers I used to read were pages and PAGES of transformation and movement correction of the data, so I'm sure it would take hours, if not a day or two, to get your fMRI results back... Unless computers have really become that fast over in hospital settings. *shrug*
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I DO want her to stand up to him, and I agree he'll respect her more if she does so. But I also want her to do it more calmly. Like when she was angry with him in 'Heavy'. That tone was perfect. A little angry, but calm and emphatic...
Frankly that's the kind of doctor I would want.
No, I agree. Obsessiveness is good, especially when it saves lives. And when Medicare is paying, heheh!
a better, more compassionate doctorI'm less sure on this. I see depressed/grieving/suicidal patients all the time, and I can and have been compassionate. But that does not extend to being friends with them/hugging them, in most cases. There's a boundary line that cannot be crossed, both for the therapist/medical doctor and for the patient, because it makes things clearer. I do think Cam crossed that line. I definitely got the sense that Cam hugged the patient at the end more for her own benefit than for the patient's, and that's a definite no-no. But other people can disagree with me. I'm only speaking based ( ... )
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For Foreman, it was the nature v. nurture concept, which, at least, was handled fairly well for what little we saw of the guy.
Then they went, "Wouldn't it be funny for the pretty boy to be in jail?" So we have the Chase in prison scenes (which, for the most part were at least cut), and I went, eh.
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Exactly. Me NOT likey. They continue to sabotage Cam to fit their need for dramatics. Leave her alone!!!! David Shore, where art thou?
Yeah, I thought the parts with Foreman were interesting.
Oh? Which parts of the Chase scenes were cut?
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Another one is when he finds out he's locked in after searching Clarence's cell and no one's around. Understandably, he wigs.
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Too bad they got cut, esp. the wigging out in the cell, that would've been interesting to see....
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