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brightlotusmoon February 12 2011, 19:54:26 UTC
Thank you for talking about everything that was wrong with Connor. As much as I loved Vincent Kartheiser's pretty face, the character was unlikeable and unwatchable. Bleh.

I do love how Wil Wheaton often rants against his old character and admits how ridiculous Wesley Crusher often was.

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sigma7 February 12 2011, 20:11:12 UTC
When Connor got tazed by Fred in the fourth-season premiere, I may have fist-pumped. He was one monotonous plot point that just wouldn't go away...until he was worth having around, by which point he was given to a good family on a farm. Figures.

And I'm glad that if someone had to be Wesley, it was Wil Wheaton. Someone was going to get paid for being there and saying those lines, and he's managed to come into his own by virtue of nothing more than Being Wil Wheaton. It's almost Shatneresque.

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brightlotusmoon February 12 2011, 20:22:22 UTC
Given to a good family on a farm, like a pet that wasn't working out, heh heh.

That's a great way to look at Wil and Wesley! And Wil is just so freaking nice and everything. I honestly don't think anyone else could have played Wesley Crusher and kept being as wonderful as Wil Wheaton. It is almost Shatneresque, without the ego.

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beagle1971 February 12 2011, 21:34:04 UTC
Not one mention of Cousin Oliver or Scrappy Doo. I'm hurt.

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sigma7 February 12 2011, 21:50:05 UTC
I figured those two, specifically, went unsaid. Show-killers, those two. *shudder*

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querldox February 12 2011, 22:13:11 UTC
This one's a bit different, as it's a character who actually became tolerable. Namely, Morgan on Chuck ( ... )

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motteditor February 12 2011, 22:43:33 UTC
Good point about Morgan, though I'm still not a huge fan of the character. Better integrating him into the A plot helped a lot, though.

Evan and Royal Pains both got a LOT better as the show has gone on (though this past week's was actually one of the worst they've done in ages). I think it may actually be No. 3 now of the USA dramas (behind White Collar and Burn Notice). As with Morgan, they made subtle changes with Evan, so they weren't completely changing his personality, but rather making it so he wasn't someone you wanted to punch all the time. Still not perfect, but far improved from how he started.

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querldox February 13 2011, 04:20:01 UTC
On thinking about it a bit more, I think what particularly irks me about Morgan and Evan and similar characters is their very role as lead character's best friend makes no sense. In my experience at least, smart, competent, people mostly hang out with, well, other smart, competent, people (with an exception for the not-really-that-smart type who selects folk because they want to be the smartest person in the room at all times ( ... )

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motteditor February 13 2011, 04:32:25 UTC
I don't disagree with any of this, though I think in both examples you've got here, you could find reasons why they hung out ( ... )

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motteditor February 12 2011, 22:41:20 UTC
With your subject line, I thought you were going to go with Wes (from "Buffy"/"Angel") and was stunned. Then I figured Wesley Crusher, and was OK with that ... but Connor defintely wins. Absolutely ruined those two seasons and was just a character you loathed. I think I would STILL avoid Kartheiser in anything because of that character.

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sigma7 February 12 2011, 22:50:33 UTC
Early versions of Wesley Windham-Pryce might've been slightly annoying, but not egregiously so. His character might've been troublesome, but even by the end of Buffy's third season he was already established as a bit more than the council's lackey. His arc on Angel was...interesting, to say the least, and by season four, he was one of my favorites. Which made season five all the harder to watch.

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patchsassy February 13 2011, 04:54:59 UTC
The Wil Wheaton episodes of Big Bang Theory are thoroughly enjoyable, as he is Sheldon's arch-nemesis and plays an "evil" version of himself. In the second episode, he's in a bowling tournament opposite Sheldon's team and Sheldon decides to name his team the Wesley Crushers.

(Then, in the third appearance this season, Sheldon and company were the last four left out in the cold at a theater replay of Raiders of the Lost Ark and Wil Wheaton's entourage had line-jumped.)

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jb_helfrich February 13 2011, 08:02:38 UTC
While I haven't caught up on BBT yet, I do think it interesting how Wil has rejuvenated his acting carer playing mostly bad guys/assholes, particularly variants of himself (BBT, The Guild) or his other characters (Eureka, where he's kind of playing Wesley gone horribly wrong.)

Also, his non-fiction writing's pretty good. (I haven't read his fiction stuff yet.)

And while Connor was a train wreck, he did arguably get the best line of the series: "Come on. You drop by for coffee and the world's not ending? Please."

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kateshort February 13 2011, 19:13:47 UTC
JOE-- totally unrelated, but hopefully you get emailed LJ comments. You don't have a publicly-available address on your Amazon wish list, and your other websites don't have a way to contact you via email. Here's hoping you see this. I'd like to get you a gift off of there, but I've gotta have a place to *send* it...

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jb_helfrich February 13 2011, 22:56:32 UTC
Check your twitter account, since I don't have an email for you these days either.

You always could have had your husband ask my mom. :)

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