I'm torn between thinking I should appreciate the extra effort he puts into making them available and between wanting to tear my hair out as soon as he starts talking about his scotch...
As far as canon and fan fic, I have to kind of laugh at people worrying about going against canon in fan fic. Fan fic is not canon at all.
Yeah, this is a very good point. I guess my thought is that I'm looking for what's going to be commonly accepted (for the reader) as a starting point for characters and actions. But yes, it's NOT the show.
Don't expect an actual post all about why I didn't hate the finale anytime soon. Or maybe ever. Aww, that's too bad. I gobbled up every word or your Settlement but I can continue to discuss the finale forever. Because I'm totally and utterly confused. Still. Other peoples' thoughts have really helped me.
Your posts make me so thinky and long-winded! Here goes:
For me canon is what was on the show the first time an episode airs. Period. No webisodes, no extended DVD versions of the episode or deleted scenes. No commentary from the producers.Why? Are you not confused? I feel so . . . thick sometimes. I need those extras sometimes to explain stuff. I love hearing your take on what Earth II might have been like. Why wouldn't I want to hear the show creator's intentions too? There are things I couldn't have known, couldn't have confirmed without extras. Like what Baltar whispered into Felix's ear (though that was totally retconned). Or what Felix's sexuality was (thought that's still debated between bi and gay). I like to know what an
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I need those extras sometimes to explain stuff. I love hearing your take on what Earth II might have been like. Why wouldn't I want to hear the show creator's intentions too?
It's not that I'm not interested (okay, if it's RDM, I'm probably not interested, but that's just the irritation factor). It's information that I don't feel like I have to acknowledge if it doesn't work with what I want to do. If it does mesh, great! If not, I don't have any compulsion to include it for the sake of being canon-compliant because it's not what I view as canon. (Though njborba does make a good point saying that fanfic just isn't canon anyway.)
I like to know what an author intended. It surprises me because I thought you did too. You love author DVD commentaries more than anyone I know.
Again, I think it's the source. RDM irritates me. Other fanfic writers are generally awesome! And since I'm interested in writing, but not so interested in actually creating a TV show...
I liked hearing most of Joss Whedon's commentaries on the Buffy DVD's. Since
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What an interesting take on canon! You are talking the use of canon or non-canon in writing fic. What you can use to support your fic idea or not. I'm talking about what I believe actually happened. I'm not talking about writing at all, at least not at first. Before I write something, or even if I never write anything, I have to have an understanding of what actually happened in the canon story. When I pick and choose (and I don't since I accept it all) deleted scenes, I am trying to piece together 'the story'. It's an interesting idea, though. Reading the comments below I'm wondering if there is 'the' story. Maybe there's just 'my' story, the story I saw and the interpretations I made. Maybe we all have our own story of what happened.
After I figure out 'what happened' or what I think I've seen, then I can write if I want. As for what I use for fic, I can use anything. I'm AU girl. I sometimes disregard established canon altogether. I started reading and writing fic to see what didn't happen on screen. Anything else bores me. I like
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I'm talking about what I believe actually happened. I'm not talking about writing at all, at least not at first.
Huh. I just don't generally second-guess myself about the meaning of the show that's broadcast, once I've spent a few days 'digesting' it. I do like to read thougtful commentaries from other viewers but once I've formulated my general understanding and reaction, I don't often change it. I might wish for it to be different, but it is what it is.
As for what I use for fic, I can use anything. I'm AU girl. I sometimes disregard established canon altogether. I started reading and writing fic to see what didn't happen on screen. Anything else bores me. I like trying to make what I write fit into the show itself--most of the time, anyway. They just didn't have time to make that episode about Jean and Leoben on Caprica and about Trina finding the C-Bucs and getting captured! (I know, making up background for minor characters or inventing original characters doesn't seem much like 'canon' but I like telling myself that what
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I'm fickle, because I make canon be whatever I want, pretty much. If I liked a deleted/extended scene, it's my canon. If I didn't, then I've probably already forgotten it. For example, I liked the "Are you sure I'm what you really want?" conversation from the UBEX, but didn't like the silly apple cart dialogue from the same scene. So, I take what I like and tell myself the apple carts were cut for a good reason. Or the webisodes--I liked the New Caprica ones and the Gaeta ones, so I'll keep them and lose the Razor webisodes.
But I'd never consider something stated in a commentary or interview to be canon if it's not also on the screen. As a writer, I feel that my story is only what's on the page and what the reader takes out of it. If they aren't reading what I thought I was writing, then I'm doing something wrong. And just because I say Kara was totally pining for Socinus the whole time, if Kara's eternal love for Socinus wasn't on the page (or the screen) then it's not anybody's canon.
For example, I liked the "Are you sure I'm what you really want?" conversation from the UBEX, but didn't like the silly apple cart dialogue from the same scene. So, I take what I like and tell myself the apple carts were cut for a good reason. Or the webisodes--I liked the New Caprica ones and the Gaeta ones, so I'll keep them and lose the Razor webisodes.
Realizing there are 'pick and choose' canon interpretations out there, I now feel less worried about the whole issue! Heh.
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But I don't give a frak what any of the producers SAY about the canon. If it's not shown/filmed, it's not canon.
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*nods frantically* Yes to that.
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...which is why I don't listen to them.
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Yeah, this is a very good point. I guess my thought is that I'm looking for what's going to be commonly accepted (for the reader) as a starting point for characters and actions. But yes, it's NOT the show.
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Aww, that's too bad. I gobbled up every word or your Settlement but I can continue to discuss the finale forever. Because I'm totally and utterly confused. Still. Other peoples' thoughts have really helped me.
Your posts make me so thinky and long-winded! Here goes:
For me canon is what was on the show the first time an episode airs. Period. No webisodes, no extended DVD versions of the episode or deleted scenes. No commentary from the producers.Why? Are you not confused? I feel so . . . thick sometimes. I need those extras sometimes to explain stuff. I love hearing your take on what Earth II might have been like. Why wouldn't I want to hear the show creator's intentions too? There are things I couldn't have known, couldn't have confirmed without extras. Like what Baltar whispered into Felix's ear (though that was totally retconned). Or what Felix's sexuality was (thought that's still debated between bi and gay). I like to know what an ( ... )
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It's not that I'm not interested (okay, if it's RDM, I'm probably not interested, but that's just the irritation factor). It's information that I don't feel like I have to acknowledge if it doesn't work with what I want to do. If it does mesh, great! If not, I don't have any compulsion to include it for the sake of being canon-compliant because it's not what I view as canon. (Though njborba does make a good point saying that fanfic just isn't canon anyway.)
I like to know what an author intended. It surprises me because I thought you did too. You love author DVD commentaries more than anyone I know.
Again, I think it's the source. RDM irritates me. Other fanfic writers are generally awesome! And since I'm interested in writing, but not so interested in actually creating a TV show...
I liked hearing most of Joss Whedon's commentaries on the Buffy DVD's. Since ( ... )
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After I figure out 'what happened' or what I think I've seen, then I can write if I want. As for what I use for fic, I can use anything. I'm AU girl. I sometimes disregard established canon altogether. I started reading and writing fic to see what didn't happen on screen. Anything else bores me. I like ( ... )
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Huh. I just don't generally second-guess myself about the meaning of the show that's broadcast, once I've spent a few days 'digesting' it. I do like to read thougtful commentaries from other viewers but once I've formulated my general understanding and reaction, I don't often change it. I might wish for it to be different, but it is what it is.
As for what I use for fic, I can use anything. I'm AU girl. I sometimes disregard established canon altogether. I started reading and writing fic to see what didn't happen on screen. Anything else bores me. I like trying to make what I write fit into the show itself--most of the time, anyway. They just didn't have time to make that episode about Jean and Leoben on Caprica and about Trina finding the C-Bucs and getting captured! (I know, making up background for minor characters or inventing original characters doesn't seem much like 'canon' but I like telling myself that what ( ... )
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But I'd never consider something stated in a commentary or interview to be canon if it's not also on the screen. As a writer, I feel that my story is only what's on the page and what the reader takes out of it. If they aren't reading what I thought I was writing, then I'm doing something wrong. And just because I say Kara was totally pining for Socinus the whole time, if Kara's eternal love for Socinus wasn't on the page (or the screen) then it's not anybody's canon.
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Realizing there are 'pick and choose' canon interpretations out there, I now feel less worried about the whole issue! Heh.
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