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nentari August 29 2009, 12:45:14 UTC
Hee, mix pimpage! *blushes*

I wonder what he was sketching.
The landscape, I reckon.

b) the Brigadier's replacement, as it were, is none other than Peter Saville, who you may or may not remember as Lieutenant Carstairs from The War Games!
Ahem, that would be David Savile, dear.

Two, you never like redecorations, do you? ::giggle:: You should see Eight's redecorations!
Or Nine's. And I've heard Eleven will be redecorating as well.

& SARAH JANE, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WEARING? Did you lose all your fashion sense when you left Four? ::shakes head::
I used to have clothes just like hers when this story first came out. Of course, I was five years old at the time. :P

LOLZ, ALL HE DOES IS BEAM WHEN BORUSA'S ALL 'YOU A BAAAAD SEED, SON.'
Of course he'd beam - he's the Master! For him, that's flattery.

Jon Pertwee nicked that line from Lis Sladen! But I still love it madly. ::giggles::I love it too, but I still think it would have made more sense if it had been Sarah Jane saying it as originally planned. Unless this is to suggest that ( ... )

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riverdresses August 29 2009, 14:16:03 UTC
Hee, mix pimpage! *blushes*

IT'S TOTALLY WORTHY OF PIMPAGE! ::snugs::

The landscape, I reckon.

Probably. (or maybe an unfinished portrait of Five?)
& I may or may not have borrowed this concept for my Eight/Sarah Jane smut . . . but art's always a big thing with me. :D

Ahem, that would be David Savile, dear.

WHY DID I THINK HIS NAME WAS PETER?! Well, anyway, fixed & fixed! & thankyoooou.

Or Nine's. And I've heard Eleven will be redecorating as well.

Two's not fond of playing with the TARDIS. Or UNIT offices, apparently. :P

I used to have clothes just like hers when this story first came out. Of course, I was five years old at the time. :P

The eighties were . . . they were just a VERY, VERY bad time for clothes. Of course, now is too, in some respects, but UGH. I HATE eighties fashion.

Of course he'd beam - he's the Master! For him, that's flattery.

::giggles:: & he does it so cutely too! ::pets him::

I love it too, but I still think it would have made more sense if it had been Sarah Jane saying it as originally planned. ( ... )

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nentari August 29 2009, 14:28:11 UTC
IT'S TOTALLY WORTHY OF PIMPAGE! ::snugs::
*reblush*

The eighties were . . . they were just a VERY, VERY bad time for clothes. Of course, now is too, in some respects, but UGH. I HATE eighties fashion.
And it's making a comeback now - why, dear God, why?

O YES HE DID. But Tegan & Turlough probably figured that with TWO of the Doctor around, something a bit stronger might be helpful. ;)
That's... quite sensible reasoning, yes.

AH, WIGGY! Who I'll be seeing soon . . . luckily? But I'll keep this in mind as I watch. ^-^
"Luckily" wouldn't be the word I'd use in this one... But there's always a silver lining, of course, and in this serial said silver lining is called Kevin Stoney.

That's one thing (out of very little, actually) that bugs me about this story - Susan not only sprains her ankle like they ALWAYS had her do in her own stories, but she doesn't even really get any action - she's just in the TARDIS almost all the time.Yes, not only is this a repetition of the most frustrating plot device used on poor Susan, but it also helps ( ... )

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riverdresses August 30 2009, 08:51:14 UTC
And it's making a comeback now - why, dear God, why?

I KNOW! JUST . . . WHY?! Wasn't ONE decade of crappy fashion enough for the world? (& having seen the remnants of it in the very early nineties, just . . . NO. PLEASE!)

That's... quite sensible reasoning, yes.

& after having watched Midnight for the first time in AGES tonight, I will continue to uphold this theory - ESPECIALLY if Ten is one of said regenerations in the room. MORE BOOZE IS FOR THE BETTER IN SUCH CASES, REALLY.

"Luckily" wouldn't be the word I'd use in this one... But there's always a silver lining, of course, and in this serial said silver lining is called Kevin Stoney.

Poor Cybermen - they must have been having a bad serial this time around. (as if Wiggy's HEAD wasn't bad enough) But I'll reserve more . . . astringent judgement until I see it. As I did with Six & Peri!

Yes, not only is this a repetition of the most frustrating plot device used on poor Susan, but it also helps to take her away from the action. *shakes head*It's depressing, & in my opinion, a ( ... )

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nentari August 29 2009, 13:13:10 UTC
Right off, I have to say, I LOVE Colin Baker's opening titles - they're really good, I think.
But he's got dandruff! [/Frazer mode]

Ah, Chessene! With the ugliest hair & makeup I've ever seen. I like her . . . sort of - but her hair & makeup are just EW.
It makes me curious to imagine what her original wig looked like. As they mention in the commentaries, Chessene was originally to be played by a different actress, and when Jacqueline Pearce stepped in, she inherited the original wig, which she found horrible and ill-fitting. But when they went to Seville the wig got lost during the journey, and she had to go to a barber (in Seville! :P) to have one custom-made just for her.

O, TWO. O, JAMIE. YOU TWO NEVER STOP BEING MARRIED, DO YOU?
Those two? NEVER.

& DAMN, they sure got ugly since The Sontaran Experiment. I mean, they got ugly!
The quality of the masks got worse as time went by. Personally, I wish they had stuck with what was done to Linx in The Time Warrior - the mask was blended with the actor's actual features (that was his ( ... )

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riverdresses August 29 2009, 14:31:22 UTC
It makes me curious to imagine what her original wig looked like. As they mention in the commentaries, Chessene was originally to be played by a different actress, and when Jacqueline Pearce stepped in, she inherited the original wig, which she found horrible and ill-fitting. But when they went to Seville the wig got lost during the journey, and she had to go to a barber (in Seville! :P) to have one custom-made just for her.

::giggles:: & I still need to HEAR the commentaries, which I couldn't tonight/this morning for obvious reasons, but at least that godawful hair was a wig! Chessene just had a very . . . eighties-space look, I think. :P

Those two? NEVER.

& THEY MUST NEVER STOP. Otherwise the universe will implode & all will be lost.

The quality of the masks got worse as time went by. Personally, I wish they had stuck with what was done to Linx in The Time Warrior - the mask was blended with the actor's actual features (that was his actual mouth, for instance) allowing for more expressiveness.Good thing I don't remember how the ( ... )

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nentari August 29 2009, 14:56:27 UTC
::giggles:: & I still need to HEAR the commentaries, which I couldn't tonight/this morning for obvious reasons, but at least that godawful hair was a wig!
Jacqueline Pearce had very short hair when she played the villain in Blake's 7, and I think it was probably still that short when she did this. I think the fringe was hers, but the rest was indeed a wig.

Good thing I don't remember how the new series Sontarans looked then. I LOVED their look in The Sontaran Experiment; they should have stayed that way in my opinion. Plus, the tongue was really creepy.
Yes, the masks in The Sontaran Experiment were also good. But I like it that Linx has a creepy tongue - it helped to make him look repellent.

WELL, AT THE TIME I SAW IT, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS OUR BELOVED JAMIE! :P I thought it was just some . . . thing in a bag!
All right, I'll give you that. And Jamie has to accept it as well - he'll be the first to admit it wasn't his finest moment.

O, I couldn't even IMAGINE wearing something like the Dreamcoat in a Spanish summer - NO WAY.Thanks ( ... )

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riverdresses August 30 2009, 09:15:37 UTC
Jacqueline Pearce had very short hair when she played the villain in Blake's 7, and I think it was probably still that short when she did this. I think the fringe was hers, but the rest was indeed a wig.

I still need to get the rest of Blake's 7 - I have almost all of series one, but nothing else, which is why I haven't started watching it yet. But I'll look for her when I do!
(& I still hated her wig, even during the commentaries tonight.)

Yes, the masks in The Sontaran Experiment were also good. But I like it that Linx has a creepy tongue - it helped to make him look repellent.

The Sontaran Experiment, being my first Classic!serial & thereby making the Sontarans my first Classic!villains, was what I actually saw around the time they were reappearing in the new series - which is part of why I was so disappointed when I saw how they'd been redesigned - they were WAY creepier in the original style! & really, you CAN'T make them look any different I think - they always WILL look like potatoes in space suits! In The Two Doctors, they ( ... )

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nentari August 29 2009, 13:55:19 UTC
Hmm. So Jamie would be telling this story a fair bit of time after he was returned to his own time, I would surmise, at least from how he begins it.
Exactly. This is post-War Games Jamie, whose memory block has been temporarily lifted after he was struck by what he believes to have been a lightning.

Aww, Jamie won a yo-yo! & learnt table tennis! & is apparently quite good at it!
That's my favourite moment in the whole audio - Two taught Jamie how to play table tennis, but the moment the boy became good at it (and, I believe, good enough to beat him) the Doctor lost interest in the game. :P Oh, Two.

hmm. Eight/Fitz = Two/Jamie version 2.0?
Only with added nakedidity - and some more angst-making mindfuckness thrown at them, I'm afraid. Yes, I firmly believe that what happens to Fitz halfway is just as bad (if not worse) than memory erasing - which... is also there, now that I think about it. :(

I . . . I just . . . HOW THE HELL IS THAT AN ENDING?! THIS ISN'T AN ENDING, IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY BLEEDING SENSE! Just . . . I am beyond ( ... )

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riverdresses August 29 2009, 14:39:57 UTC
Exactly. This is post-War Games Jamie, whose memory block has been temporarily lifted after he was struck by what he believes to have been a lightning.

. . . well, he lived through the battle at least.

That's my favourite moment in the whole audio - Two taught Jamie how to play table tennis, but the moment the boy became good at it (and, I believe, good enough to beat him) the Doctor lost interest in the game. :P Oh, Two.

Wasn't it just adorable? It was so Two/Jamie! ::grins:: & I love his yo-yo.
(& hmm, Six had a yo-yo in his pocket in The Two Doctors . . . :P)

& AH, THANKYOU FOR EXPLAINING THE END TO ME! I REALLY didn't get it at all - yes, I'm stupid, I know.

but while we were to believe that the ambassador was the sole responsible, Mindy operating in the background was meant to be a surprising end twist (I suspected it all along, though).

I'd only heard part of this audio, AGES ago - like the first half-hour, maybe? & I'd already called Mindy as the dangerous one.

Mindy escapes, promising she'll come back some day to get ( ... )

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nentari August 29 2009, 15:06:43 UTC
(& hmm, Six had a yo-yo in his pocket in The Two Doctors . . . :P)
Well, Four used to play with a yo-yo all the time. *big shippy grin*
Fourteen will have one as well, but it will be red and painted to look like a ladybug so it's definitely not the same - but maybe Jamie gave her this one as well. *ponders*
(Which reminds me - you never did comment on Fourteen's musical instrument of choice and the way she obtained it.)

I'd only heard part of this audio, AGES ago - like the first half-hour, maybe? & I'd already called Mindy as the dangerous one.
I always found it odd that she was always around when something fishy was going on - and how conveniently she had followed Jamie when he went to explore the ambassador's quarters.

Okay, I can see why you didn't much like this audio - it was good until the very last half, that's all I can say for it.
I don't have much of a problem with the last half, and I like the audio in general - it's just those final words that bug me to no end. In my mind, Fear of the Daleks and The Great Space Elevator ( ... )

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riverdresses August 30 2009, 09:25:01 UTC
Well, Four used to play with a yo-yo all the time. *big shippy grin*

You know, I do wonder how Four & Jamie would have got on. (yes, I may have READ this, but ah, I still wonder!)

Fourteen will have one as well, but it will be red and painted to look like a ladybug so it's definitely not the same - but maybe Jamie gave her this one as well. *ponders*

Ooo, what a pretty yo-yo! :D

(Which reminds me - you never did comment on Fourteen's musical instrument of choice and the way she obtained it.)

ACK! I'm a thick specimen, aren't I? I love her kazoo - it makes me think a little of Four's recorder, but it's even more compact! & a kazoo seems rather fitting for her, I think - it's cute & compact, like she is! :P

I always found it odd that she was always around when something fishy was going on - and how conveniently she had followed Jamie when he went to explore the ambassador's quarters.I was pretty suspicious of her as soon as she started asking Jamie what he was looking for in the ambassador's quarters - right when my iPod DIED, so ( ... )

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alto2 August 29 2009, 14:45:36 UTC
- This was the first time I'd ever heard the 'go forward in all your beliefs' speech - AGES before I ever properly heard it! But I've always loved it, & hearing it always does make me a bit soft, even when I heard it here.

Me too. I was so excited when I finally hit on the real thing a few years ago, having somehow had no idea which story it came from. But yes, it sounds like our first encounters with T5D were pretty similar. One of the first things I ever saw when I started on DW, actually...

- 'allo One! Um, One, there's a - O DEAR, HE GOT EATEN BY A BLACK TRIANGLE!

Ah, so you watched the original! I have to say, it's the whole reason I bought the 25th anniversary edition DVD. The Special Edition's changes annoy me--especially the fact that they changed Rassilon's voice and the harp music. If I'd only seen the thing once back in 83, I probably wouldn't notice, but this has been a favorite forever, so it just jars.

- 'A man is the sum of his memories, you know. A Time Lord, more so ( ... )

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nentari August 29 2009, 15:46:16 UTC
There's a hidden commentary? Where?? I haven't even listened to the not-hidden one yet!
Yes, there's a hidden commentary by three members of the New Who gang: David Tennant, producer Phil Colinson and writer Helen Raynor. If you go to the Audio Options in disc 1, the logo that will give you access to the hidden commentary is located to the right of the link to the not-hidden one. They have a few interesting tidbits here and there, but I personally prefer the official commentary - especially Mark Strickson being naughty, and Carole Ann Ford being downright adorable.

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alto2 August 29 2009, 16:10:55 UTC
Oh sweet! Thanks--now I have to find time for TWO commentaries!

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riverdresses August 31 2009, 08:58:10 UTC
Me too. I was so excited when I finally hit on the real thing a few years ago, having somehow had no idea which story it came from. But yes, it sounds like our first encounters with T5D were pretty similar. One of the first things I ever saw when I started on DW, actually...

O my! Yes, it does sound as though we came to The Five Doctors in similar ways - for quite some time, it was the only Five serial to my name, up until last New Year's. But it's always a favourite for me. :D

Ah, so you watched the original! I have to say, it's the whole reason I bought the 25th anniversary edition DVD. The Special Edition's changes annoy me--especially the fact that they changed Rassilon's voice and the harp music. If I'd only seen the thing once back in 83, I probably wouldn't notice, but this has been a favorite forever, so it just jars.I think I've actually only seen the new one ONCE - & that was to hear Peter Davison's commentary. & you know, I can't remember if I even FINISHED listening to it! ::blushes:: But I always will prefer the ( ... )

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lilyofshalott August 29 2009, 22:18:37 UTC
THE FIVE DOCTORS! ::bounces:: How I love it! ^_^

One of these times I really ought to watch it with the proper commentary-I "acquired" the DT & crew one before I got the DVD and it never fails to make me laugh hysterically.

Anyway, the serial/special is made of so much WIN & (unintentional?) lulziness & DW goodness.

::pets Five:: & I do love that line. (& nentari, yes, you were a bit right about the idea that Five could be the more Shelley-esque one, as opposed to Eight being the more Byron-esque one. At least in that scene. & you know I'd never say that lightly!)I do love the Romantics! I was able to get the July DWM at B&N (Squee! I didn't know they sold it!) and found out that one of Eight's new audios is going to have MARY SHELLEY. ::flails ( ... )

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riverdresses August 30 2009, 08:14:35 UTC
THE FIVE DOCTORS! ::bounces:: How I love it! ^_^

It's such a grand serial, in all ways. One of my clearest memories of it is watching it last Christmas day while blow-drying my hair in preparation for visiting family that day. So I always associate it with Christmas now! :D

One of these times I really ought to watch it with the proper commentary-I "acquired" the DT & crew one before I got the DVD and it never fails to make me laugh hysterically.

OMG, GET THE TWENTY-FIFTH ANNIVERSARY EDITION - it has David's commentary, the commentary by just about ALL the companions & the second DVD has commentary by Peter Davison & Terrance Dicks (& a few improvements to the special effects of the story). TOTALLY WORTH THE MONEY, TRUST ME. :D

I do love the Romantics! I was able to get the July DWM at B&N (Squee! I didn't know they sold it!) and found out that one of Eight's new audios is going to have MARY SHELLEY. ::flails::IT DOES, IT DOES! I have it & I did enjoy her story, but then again, I'm a bit biased as I too, adore the Romantics & of ( ... )

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lilyofshalott August 30 2009, 18:23:46 UTC
Don't you just love DW holiday traditions? The year before last I started watching Eight's movie on New Year's Eve.

Oh, I *do* have the 25th Anniversary Edition! I got it for this past Christmas-I just haven't listened to the "proper" commentaries yet.

IT DOES, IT DOES! I have it & I did enjoy her story, but then again, I'm a bit biased as I too, adore the Romantics & of course, Mary & her husband. (I have a biography of hers & her story The Last Man sitting on my table waiting to be read. :D) (& since I'm curious, what IS the proper quote?)
I forgot to bring my copy of Alice/Looking-Glass back with me (I took it home over spring break so my mum could read it) so this is going to be more of a paraphrase:

I *think* it's the scene in Through the Looking-Glass wherein the White Queen says her memory runs forwards & backwards. Alice says something along the lines of "That's impossible!" and the White Queen follows with "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as twelve impossible things before breakfast." (at any rate, Five is *still* ( ... )

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lilyofshalott August 30 2009, 18:30:58 UTC
WOOT! Alice & Looking-Glass are both on The Literature Network! (Bartleby is also a good place to look for things, but I think it houses mostly poetry.)

Here's the bit on memory: 'That's the effect of living backwards,' the Queen said kindly: 'it always makes one a little giddy at first--'

'Living backwards!' Alice repeated in great astonishment. 'I never heard of such a thing!'

'--but there's one great advantage in it, that one's memory works both ways.'

'I'm sure MINE only works one way,' Alice remarked. 'I can't remember things before they happen.'

'It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards,' the Queen remarked.

And then further down the page: 'I can't believe THAT!' said Alice ( ... )

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