it seems like maybe he wanted something to take him out of the badness in his head and feel something. at least that's how i felt when i was in trouble [with myself]
i think he had relapsed hard and been on a many-weeks long bender since being in argentina, he was def spiralling bc earlier in the year he had been positive about sobriety
the most confusing part is that his visa was denied bc of drugs, so he tested the day before and he was clean. maybe he stopped before enough to test it but it's still so damn weird
There is no way he was clean a couple of days before just based on how he was acting in videos he posted and fans posted to be honest. If that visa story is true, especially the drug test part, I wouldn’t be surprised if this spirals into a bigger story about him paying people off for a clean drug test
With stuff like Child Star, Quiet on Set, the Lou Pearlman doc, the Nick/Aaron Carter one, etc, etc, it feels like we're finally really ready to understand that fame is just really plain unhealthy and dangerous for kids/tweens/teens...but like, are we as a society ready to actually DO anything about it, or just acknowledge it after the fact? As long as they're still making $$$$$ for powerful people, I fear it's not really going to change. And of course now we have this whole issue of 'family bloggers' and child 'influencers' that's totally unregulated.
(That's not to say fame is 100% to blame and he didn't have any responsibility or choice in his own life, bc obviously he did and his bad decisions and death were a result of many things. But seriously, when are we going to stop putting people through this and then watching them self-destruct?)
To be honest I was thinking this week that’s it’s gotta be a bit of a mind fuck for the other guys that they are suddenly like the “current face” of the tragic child star conversation. Like no one cared that 1D were young stars a few weeks ago and they were never really included in that conversation. Liam had been relatively open that he had demons and struggles with at least alcohol and the public didn’t really care until he died. And now there are articles being like “we shouldn’t let under 18 year olds be pop stars” with their faces all over it and it’s 14 years into their careers.
Yeah wasn't Liam like 17 on the X factor? I doubt things would've been significantly different for him if 1D had started out a year or two later. I think there's just an extremely high level of fame that's really hard to deal with for a lot of people.
we'll likely never know what his final moments were like, but it's sad and scary to think of someone possibly being so out of their mind on drugs that they have no idea what they're doing, and falling/jumping because of it. i saw that the initial autopsy suggested he may not have been fully conscious when he fell
i still don't understand why they sent him to his room if they were so worried about him jumping from the balcony, but there are still so many unconfirmed details that it's hard to say i guess
Re: your last paragraph, same. I wonder why hotel security didn't stay with him in the lobby or his room until police had arrived. They obviously were worried about him harming himself so I don't understand why they sent him back up alone... Or refused to stay by his side.
yeah that's the part that I'm stuck on. i get if they didn't want him in the lobby bc he was causing a scene and maybe scaring people, but surely there was somewhere else they could take him? or like you said, have him be supervised in his room. like I'm not pointing fingers, especially since we don't have all the details, but I'm just confused on how anyone thought that would be a good idea. for the receptionist to blatantly say 'his room has a balcony and we're worried he'll hurt himself' to him literally doing that within minutes.... idk. maybe it'll turn out he went up on his own.
It seems very irresponsible, that's for sure. They should have at least put him in a room without a balcony, but ideally the paramedics should have been called while he was safely detained in the meantime.
It's really obnoxious how you are considered uncool if you go out and don't drink/take drugs or even vape (lol) I can have my fun sober and with healthy lungs tyvm
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Sad all around.
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(That's not to say fame is 100% to blame and he didn't have any responsibility or choice in his own life, bc obviously he did and his bad decisions and death were a result of many things. But seriously, when are we going to stop putting people through this and then watching them self-destruct?)
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i still don't understand why they sent him to his room if they were so worried about him jumping from the balcony, but there are still so many unconfirmed details that it's hard to say i guess
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Re: your last paragraph, same. I wonder why hotel security didn't stay with him in the lobby or his room until police had arrived. They obviously were worried about him harming himself so I don't understand why they sent him back up alone... Or refused to stay by his side.
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It seems very irresponsible, that's for sure. They should have at least put him in a room without a balcony, but ideally the paramedics should have been called while he was safely detained in the meantime.
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I hope neither or anyone in their group goes through problems or addictions to that later down the line :|
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I can have my fun sober and with healthy lungs tyvm
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