Lisa Marie Presley Memoir Recap/Discussion: Chapter 5

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Chapters 1 & 2 recap || Chapter 3 || Chapter 4

Lisa Marie Presley’s memoir From Here to the Great Unknown was 85% done and spread across 16 tapes when she passed away in January 2023. The book consists of Lisa's recollections,

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[nermal_kat]

So did Lisa and Michael ever actually have sex?

[nigelwitthebrie]

I remember reading an article way back when (before this memoir and before MJ died) that Lisa recounted what it was like having sex with MJ. That it was very surreal and when he came in the room, he disrobed in front of her. She said it was very fast and quick. And just like that he left the room as quickly as they did it. She felt he didn’t want to show her the vitiligo spots cuz he was insecure about them.

I can’t seem to find the article in question…maybe cuz the Jackson estate is trying to scrub any conspicuous articles written about MJ scrubbed off the internet.

[nutmegdealer]

and i could've sworn she said he was into roleplaying?

[nigelwitthebrie]

Shietttt that’s some tea 🍵 that for sure got scrubbed from the internet by the Jackson mafia lol 😂

[celja]

I still find it so hard to buy their relationship as real.

[joy_scenic]

I could see her having an intense kindred spirit kinda thing with him that she confused for love.

[insomniachobs]

Yeah - without wanting to play armchair psychologist (but I'mma do it anyway) it seems like she saw a lot of parallels to her dad and to her own upbringing and that in a way, she was trying to replay some of her past trauma to a better ending.

[silverstarry]

I think it was a combination of several factors. A big one is that when you're young, it's easy to believe that someone being vulnerable and honest about their trauma is the equivalent of intimacy. Younger girls often interpret it as "OMG he trusts me enough to tell me these very private things." If you're the kind of person who feels compelled to fix people, you can see this as the first step (conveniently leaving out that if this person REALLY wanted to fix themselves, they would seek professional help instead of trauma dumping on someone much younger).

That said, I think that they did have a lot in common and that very few other people could understand those things, so I would guess that at least some of their bonding was genuine. It sounds like Lisa had really intense protective feelings for him, and I agree that part of her was subconsciously trying to save MJ as a substitute for the father she loved but was too young to save. MJ, on the other hand, sounds like he was very calculating in the way he pursued her and manipulated

[joyriders]

idk what to believe about any of this but i will say 2 things i know to be true:

-lisa marie's asthetic during the MJ period was the best she ever looked
-MJ was ultimately 100% just using her to try and have 'king of pop/king of rock n roll' children. lisa marie shows a pattern of naivety in men given she later also got duped by elivis superfan nic cage in a similar fashion.

[shangri__la]

The MJ fans use how she looked as ~proof as him being the best for her but while she looked amazing, she also never dressed that way ever again so it was clearly not her style, if that makes sense? It was like a costume.

[joyriders]

oh 100%. LM's personal taste level was....challenged. haha. and while she looked great while curated w/ MJ, i wouldn't say that's a good indicator in the quality of the relationship/the person she was with..so yikes to people making that association.

[shangri__la]

In general regarding this memoir, some MJ fans and publications like the NY Times are thinking the book is pushing a soul mates/true love angle with Lisa and MJ that I don't think the book was pushing at all.

Someone else got the soul mate/✨️true love✨️ angle being implied and it wasn't MJ...it was Danny lol. The press/fans at large are ignoring that, though.

[joy_scenic]

Very good write-up OP!

The part about how he wanted kids and to be their primary caretaker with no mother is bizarre on its own and considering everything else....yeah.

I went into the writeup with a pretty open mind to Lisa's point of view. Still, so many red flags. He was like 16 and was infatuated with her since she was 5? And tried to ask her out at 15 when he was 25? 🤨🤨🤨

[shangri__la]

Thank you 🙏🏼

[aleksie]

Yeah, the timeline with him is a huge red flag.

[briecheesie]

He was so manipulative that it wouldn't surprise me if he made everything up in order to "woo"/love bomb her with his "lifelong devotion." OP's summary indicated to me that both Riley and Lisa tiptoed around straight up calling Michael a trauma-induced sociopath who was incapable of real love and of accepting real love.

I mean, he was a horrendous creep, so it's not like lusting after a 6 year old would have been out of character for him - it's just that all the stories he told her were conveniently things she wouldn't be able to disprove.

[tigermilk]

I am genuinely creeped out about him wanting her to be, like, essentially a surrogate? Like, it's almost like he wanted his kids to have a pedigree? Provide the Presley genes, but no need for LM to be a parent.