Comments | obtrectation: Earthdance, Ketamine, Ashlie, and Torch

obtrectation

Earthdance, Ketamine, Ashlie, and Torch

Nov 06, 2005 19:14

I haven't written much lately. I haven't really felt like sharing. It seems I've raised the bar on what qualifies as “significant enough to record”. Should I entertain every small detail, or reserve this space for life altering events? It seems the less I write, the more I'd have to explain for the present to make sense, and without time to recap, ( Read more... )

raves, ashlie, drugs

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azbutt3rfly November 7 2005, 02:41:11 UTC

thought you were getting off the drugs.

obtrectation November 7 2005, 02:45:03 UTC

This was about Earthdance in September, right before I decided to go clean. I've been completely sober since then. =)

azbutt3rfly November 7 2005, 07:02:59 UTC

yea! i'm proud of you. i was honestly getting worried because I thought you "fell off the wagon". =(

meadelante November 7 2005, 03:50:24 UTC

Perhaps you consider this part of the 4th plateau but after a k-hole there is a space where you comepletely lose your idenity. Recovery takes a while perhaps more than a hour, but the space of time recorded in your mind lasts much longer. Epiphanies occur constantly because the realization of an ever impending reality awake and expand from a new perspective. I do agree the 4th is a fluctuation, but in a k-hole often you can still move ( ... )

obtrectation November 10 2005, 02:23:51 UTC

I completely relate to what you're saying, but I consider all this a part of Tier 4. As I said, it can be many things - spiritual, funny, frightening, etc, but I didn't expand on that much. For me, loss of identity comes with Tier 4, and picking up the pieces and clues leading back to reality is always the best part. The transition from this stage is remarkably spiritual for me. It feels like an eternal adventure, and it may sound strange, but when normal conscious awareness returns, I am left feeling like a triumphant planewalker returning safe but weary from an ethereal war. Also, the "reconstruction" process enables me to realize and appreciate things about myself and my environment that never would have come to the surface otherwise.

meadelante November 10 2005, 06:23:10 UTC

I think you are right. Tier 4 can expand farther than the other tiers. It is unpredictable. At this stage, it does not matter how much time and space are bent, becuase it is something in itself important to your experience in the same significant way. :]

azul_ros November 7 2005, 03:59:49 UTC

I would say that any small circle or subculture is involved in drama & attempt to impress. It's inherent in human nature. I've witessed that behavior in the little goth/industrial club scene many times!

Be careful of trying to rescue someone. They may take your attitude as a put-down, that they don't need to be rescued. Or you may find out that she has issues you cannot see now which will show up after the "rescue" has occurred. At least you are aware that things seem to be going too fast. Take it down a notch & don't be too hasty. Things that begin like that always seem to self-implode, in my experience.

I've only tried K once. I would say it was only the first tier I experienced, which was mildly entertaining & enjoyable. The guy who gave it to me is someone who knew of you, from other raves. He goes by metro & he's only like 17 or 18. That was like the week before or after Earthdance. I wanted to go, but decided not to because I didn't know if I could deal with all the ravers, since I'm more of a goth girl.

j0fo November 7 2005, 05:18:39 UTC

Another damsel in distress, Rob-darling. Be careful...

I have made a vow to get away from the boys with serious issues... perhaps you should think of doing the same :)

I'm not saying you should stop helping people... Hmmm... perhaps you already know what I mean.

spacekadette November 7 2005, 06:42:01 UTC

I like the way you broke K down into tiers, similarily, people refer to "plateaus" of DXM (a drug in same category - 'dissassociative' - but one I'm much less familiar with.

The only part I take issue with is this:

"Finding the right singular dose to achieve Tier 4 is difficult because it's bordering on overdose. If you take too much, you'll get sick, or worse, have a seizure and/or fall into a coma (from which you may never wake)."
There is a massively huge margine between deep 'recreational' (I'd prefer the term 'meditative') use, and overdose. It's very difficult to overdose on ketamine. Beyond the doses used for exploration and experimentation there exists a medical threshold of outright dissassociation - a state that makes surgery possible (hence ketamine's medical benefits), and this "tier" is very wide.

obtrectation November 7 2005, 08:12:36 UTC

Can you honestly say you've never seen someone throw up because they did too much K? It's fairly common. What I meant is that it's difficult for some people to find that "sweet spot" between a k-hole and becoming physically ill in one single dose. It's easier (and safer) to work your way through the tiers, so that you know you're within your limit. Different people handle it in different ways, so for a beginner, it can be especially difficult. Also, some batches are stronger than others, so what one line does may be marginally different from another (which becomes more pronounced when dealing with larger amounts). The "or worse" part, I agree, is unlikely - but it's something I've witnessed and now acknowledge as a consideration.

spacekadette November 7 2005, 08:51:25 UTC

I've only seen K make people sick/vomit on rare occassions, honestly (usually when used in conjunction with alcohol) . . . and I've personally never experienced this.

That being said, ketamine is an anesthetic, and there's a reason you're not supposed to eat 12 hours prior to surgery. Getting nauseous on anesthethic-type drugs is common, regardless of the drug.

I guess maybe I'm getting hung up on the word "overdose", as I consider an overdose to be a life-threatening situation.

obtrectation November 7 2005, 17:35:24 UTC

I've only been able to successfully make the ascension from 0-4 once and it took 1/3 of a vial. Since then, I've been unable to reproduce the results, even with the same dose. Two others with me striving for the same goal ended up getting violently ill (vomiting, fever, sweating, confusion, brief loss of consciousness). Obviously it's a bad idea to try and "compete" with anyone in terms of drug use, but the point still stands. All I'm saying is that as a user you shouldn't push your limits until you're comfortable with accurately gauging high level dosage ( ... )

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