Earthdance, Ketamine, Ashlie, and Torch

[obtrectation]

I haven't written much lately. I haven't really felt like sharing. It seems I've raised the bar on what qualifies as “significant enough to record”. Should I entertain every small detail, or reserve this space for life altering events? It seems the less I write, the more I'd have to explain for the present to make sense, and without time to recap,

Comments

[spacekadette]

I like the way you broke K down into tiers, similarily, people refer to "plateaus" of DXM (a drug in same category - 'dissassociative' - but one I'm much less familiar with.

The only part I take issue with is this:

"Finding the right singular dose to achieve Tier 4 is difficult because it's bordering on overdose. If you take too much, you'll get sick, or worse, have a seizure and/or fall into a coma (from which you may never wake)."

There is a massively huge margine between deep 'recreational' (I'd prefer the term 'meditative') use, and overdose. It's very difficult to overdose on ketamine. Beyond the doses used for exploration and experimentation there exists a medical threshold of outright dissassociation - a state that makes surgery possible (hence ketamine's medical benefits), and this "tier" is very wide.

[obtrectation]

Can you honestly say you've never seen someone throw up because they did too much K? It's fairly common. What I meant is that it's difficult for some people to find that "sweet spot" between a k-hole and becoming physically ill in one single dose. It's easier (and safer) to work your way through the tiers, so that you know you're within your limit. Different people handle it in different ways, so for a beginner, it can be especially difficult. Also, some batches are stronger than others, so what one line does may be marginally different from another (which becomes more pronounced when dealing with larger amounts). The "or worse" part, I agree, is unlikely - but it's something I've witnessed and now acknowledge as a consideration.

[spacekadette]

I've only seen K make people sick/vomit on rare occassions, honestly (usually when used in conjunction with alcohol) . . . and I've personally never experienced this.

That being said, ketamine is an anesthetic, and there's a reason you're not supposed to eat 12 hours prior to surgery. Getting nauseous on anesthethic-type drugs is common, regardless of the drug.

I guess maybe I'm getting hung up on the word "overdose", as I consider an overdose to be a life-threatening situation.

[obtrectation]

I've only been able to successfully make the ascension from 0-4 once and it took 1/3 of a vial. Since then, I've been unable to reproduce the results, even with the same dose. Two others with me striving for the same goal ended up getting violently ill (vomiting, fever, sweating, confusion, brief loss of consciousness). Obviously it's a bad idea to try and "compete" with anyone in terms of drug use, but the point still stands. All I'm saying is that as a user you shouldn't push your limits until you're comfortable with accurately gauging high level dosage

[spacekadette]

I consistantly hit K-hole if I manage to make myself lay down and enjoy it (all too often I end up just doing something lame like trying to read lj while all k'd out).

And maybe I'm just lucky, but again, I've never gotten sick/vomited due to any high dosage of ketamine, and again, I've rarely seen this occur despite 7 years of high dosing and being around others that high dosed.

I find it interesting that this seems to be something you've witnessed with some frequency, as I always attributed ketamine sickness to some other underlying cause (mixed with other drugs, weak stomach, too much food in stomach, incompatible body chemistry, etc). *shrug*

Another thing I find odd are these "seizures" you speak of. A real seizure is caused by the disruption of electrical signals in the brain. Ketamine can cause some fairly violent shivering, but this a nervous system reaction, not a seizure, and is actually pretty normal & not indicitive of an overdose whatsoever. If someone is actually having seizures (which I doubt), then that is person

[obtrectation]

I haven't ever been sick, or had a seizure myself - and there's no accounting for what drugs other people are on - so it's hard for me to judge the *actual* cause of what I've witnessed. All I can say with certainty is that there's a strong correlation. Hence the disclaimer I added first stating these are opinions and by no means experimental research.

On the seizure bit - again I think we're confused on terminology. To my understanding, an epileptic seizure is characterized by attacks of motor, sensory, or psychic malfunction (the disruption of electrical signals in the brain). I'm using a less specific definition, not related to any neurological disorder, to describe behavior: A sudden attack, spasm, or convulsionTo be more specific, as a matter of interest, both seizures I witnessed were almost exactly the same. First they hit Tier 4, and within a few minutes began to thrash violently in a prone position (no attempts were made to stand up or calculate movement - just mindless convulsions). They were causing harm to themselves by