Comments | new_shinra87: Lordy, Lordy!

shatteredvanity in new_shinra87

Lordy, Lordy!

Jul 15, 2006 14:35

This subject matter has been meticulously avoided...

But hey- here it is in hopes of having a go.

Sephiroth says that as a boy, he was “Different from the other children.” What other children? As Shin-Ra’s most valuable asset, and the soul variable (at the time) for the Jenova project, what other children was he around? Did they drop him off at ( Read more... )

final fantasy 7, vincent, ffvvii, ff7, sephiroth, love, sephiroth's father, hojo, theory

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neo_rufus July 15 2006, 23:53:42 UTC

Hello there...thank you so much for making an entry. I don't really mind this topic being debated; in fact it's quite interesting. But I would really appreciate it if you change the text within your lj-cut. Most of it is kind of inapprotiate and keep in mind that this is a community for ALL ages.

You have a very, very great theory but not many people may not read it because of what's in your lj-cut. A simple "Sephiroth's Father Theory" would have been just fine. Quite frankly, if I wasn't the Mod/President of this community...I wouldn't have bothered reading it, but it's my duty as a Mod to check all entries made here. So if you do not wish to change the lj-text this time, that's fine...but please refrain from doing it again in the future.

Other then that...great entry and I'll leave my opinion tomorrow.

shatteredvanity July 16 2006, 02:14:24 UTC

Eeeeeaaah! I'm so sorry!

From reading the other posts here, I assumed-- wrongly, that everyone here was of an older demographic.

Sorry sorry! I removed all most of the offensive linguistics, as well as changed the tag. Won't happen again. Scout's honor. Whatever that is.

neo_rufus July 16 2006, 15:44:50 UTC

Lol, it's ok. No worries. I must thank you for changing the text...that means allot. We all make minor mistakes. ;)

Yeah I know all the members here seem like it...but we have a few youngsters here. ;)

Thanks again for making the changes...that was very considerate of you. I'm sure you'll love it here.

nosignalinput July 18 2006, 19:55:01 UTC

Actually I think he was a little tough on you here (sorry Miguel, I know I wrote the damn rule book but I need to add something to it).

I don't mind adult language as long as it's behind a cut and there's a warning that it may contain content for under 18's. It's then up to them if they wish to click it or not.

He is right about the cut containing the text though (I didn't actually see it but I guess I'll take Miguel's word for it here).

Hey, take one look at my journal and you'll realise that anything goes ;-)

Thanks for posting!

enjolras July 16 2006, 04:28:26 UTC

Are you saying that Vincent is Sephiroth's father? Because it's pretty well accepted that Hojo is his father. In response to Vincent's "...!" I assumed it was because he thought that HE was Sephiroth's father and felt bad for ever, uh, contributing to his birth, since the world was going to end and all. And also, if he was under the impression that he was his father, he would feel terrible for ever going on this journey to kill his son.

But concerning Sephiroth's childhood... that is something I have always wondered about. Him as a child? It's almost laughable because I can't really imagining him playing with other kids like a normal kid. XD It's like he just popped out as an elite soldier because it's never been discussed before. But it's obvious he had some kind of contact with Hojo since he talks about him in front of Tifa when they were at that Mako fountain in Nibelheim. Anyway, nice topic, regardless.

shatteredvanity July 17 2006, 01:59:22 UTC

Not exactly, which I will touch on in a minute. I am a firm believer that Vincent and Lucrecia are Sephiroth’s biological birth parents, Hojo and Lucrecia’s ‘relationship’ developing after his conception. Though I believe that he is, that does not make it so. Vincent being Sephiroth's biological father was the way I perceived it, and it adds an immense amount to the game for me. One of the things I love so profoundly amount Final Fantasy VII is it's gray area of open-endedness. It may be ‘widely accepted’ or considered ‘canon’ that Hojo is Sephiroth’s biological father, but the majority of these opinions have been formed on the basis of material as an after thought. Information has been manipulated and modified in order to fit new needs. For example, the short animated film Last Order directly contradicts, even completely changes, the events of Final Fantasy VII. Or Rufus’ appearance in Advent Children. Is it possible Rufus escaped from the Shin-Ra tower? Sure. However, before Advent Children, it was blatantly clear that he died. The ( ... )

glacial_phoenix July 17 2006, 10:14:08 UTC

Actually, I know there are theories floating around the net that say that Sephiroth looks more like Vincent than Hojo.

enjolras July 18 2006, 01:18:52 UTC

Yeah, Vincent DOES look more like Sephiroth than Hojo, but then again, Rufus and his father don't look exactly alike, though no one questions his lineage. Anyway, just throwing that out there. XD;

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glacial_phoenix July 16 2006, 05:29:31 UTC

I always thought that Vincent assumed he was Sephiroth's father, myself. Though either way I suspect he would go "...!" Perhaps as a form of revelation, or perhaps because he's speechless that Hojo would boast about his paternity.

And I rather imagine that Sephiroth had a very bleak childhood; being the son of Hojo is no joke. Hojo's mad; he's obsessed with Jenova and with besting Gast, as evidenced by the fact that he actually tells Sephiroth that Jenova's his mother. Normal parents wouldn't name their kid Sephiroth - that's a name that carries a lot of connotations, and you'd have to be pretty ambitious to name your child Sephiroth. (Okay, so you wouldn't name your son Cloud either, but coming from someone called Myst, it just sounds bad.)

But Hojo's ambitious, isn't he? He wanted the perfect soldier, the ultimate soldier, and so he'd attempt to craft his own child that way through any means necessary. Cloud already mentions that Sephiroth's strength is unreal all the way in the first disc. It doesn't matter if it's his memories ( ... )

yrena July 16 2006, 06:06:28 UTC

Sephiroth probably grew up for the first few years of his life in Nibelheim, he says it was familiar in Cloud's first flashback.
There would be children there, but it'd be early enough for Sephiroth not to remember where he was.

But if he was in a lab all of his childhood, why wouldn't he have gone crazy with knowing he was an experiment then, when he became and adult and knew better? He probably just spent a lot of time with Hojo, but not enough to make him suspicious. At least not yet.

glacial_phoenix July 16 2006, 08:08:27 UTC

He didn't know he was an experiment when he grew up, I think. For him to know that he was an experiment - that would entail telling him a lot about his family past ( ... )

I don't exactly put my thoughts together too well because it's been a while but.. yrena July 16 2006, 06:00:41 UTC

It is imperative to point out that Hojo is a psycho [killer, qu'est-ce que c'est] power-hungry egotistical man. I have to disagree with this somewhat ( ... )

Re: I don't exactly put my thoughts together too well because it's been a while but.. glacial_phoenix July 16 2006, 08:14:31 UTC

Hm. I think Hojo's...obsessive. That's the word I'd use. He isn't a psycho-killer per se, but he has this horrifying disregard for lives - he seems to view all living things as test subjects and specimens, considering the way he refers to Aeris in the first disc.

Also, rationally, Vincent probably knows he couldn't have stopped Lucrecia from going through with it, I agree. On the other hand, I'm quite sure his heart disagrees with his mind. It's a lot like Cloud blaming himself over Aeris and Zack's deaths - rationally, logically, you know you can't do anything, but you keep thinking of all the what ifs and that's what gets you.

Also, FFVII is rich with relationships that are never official. It irks me. (*personally supports Vincent/Lucrecia but argh)

neo_rufus July 17 2006, 18:45:28 UTC

To be honest, I'm not as aware as others here relating to the relationship with Hojo and Lucrecia. So I can’t really voice my opinion about that matter. The best I can say is that majority of us see Hojo as the father, however, it's still quite possible that Vincent could be the true father. Hojo doesn't seem to be the loving/romantic type, so imagining him getting serious with Lucrecia seems hard to believe ( ... )