searching our hearts for so long

[musesfool]

Four things make a post:

1. I have been enjoying the terrible reviews of Batman vs. Superman so much. SO MUCH. I know that this movie is going to make bank regardless but if terrible reviews and poor word of mouth means it fails to meet internal box office projections and has a severe dropoff after its opening weekend, I will be pleased, because

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[kita0610]

Ok, I'll bite. I'm a Batman 'fan' but not a FAN, so this movie will just be a fun romp (or not) for me. Why are FANS up in arms about it?

[musesfool]

Well, I hear that a lot of diehard fans are defending it? I haven't seen it so I can't say definitively, but the reviews say it's an incoherent mess, that Superman is a cardboard cut-out and Jesse Eisenberg is painfully miscast as Lex Luthor.

Plus it's supposedly self-serious and portentous but with a philosophy of heroism that's banal and sophomoric. Plus Batman apparently kills some guys via shooting a rocket launcher at a helicopter and also he has guns on the Batmobile and basically Batman's main rules are NO KILLING and NO GUNS, so those are things comics Batman would never actually do.

So from what I'm hearing, it's not just badly written, it's no fun. Which to me is the worse sin? Because I don't pay $15 a pop to not be entertained. (I also have no plans to see this in theaters.)

[kita0610]

Guns and killing are NOT Batman- even I know that. He's the DC equivalent to Daredevil. Or you know, vv, whomever came first. Well, he's darker than DD which is why I like him better. But yeah, no guns. I'm not remotely a Superman fan- to me he ALWAYS seems cardboard. I.. had no idea it was whatshisname as LL. That's a tragedy.

[musesfool]

well, Batman was first, but yes, Daredevil is the Marvel equivalent (despite people thinking it's Iron Man because of the playboy billionaire thing).

I think Superman in the right hands is great, but these are not the right hands. In Man of Steel, THEY MADE HIM JESUS INSTEAD OF MOSES. WHAT EVEN.

[hypertwink]

What makes me sad is that Henry is still a weak spot in his own movie. God, that face and body! If only he could emote lol

And yes, even before I heard of Captain America or Iron Man when I was a kid back in the Cretaceous period, I knew of Superman & Batman. I lived off the reruns of George Reeves' Superman and Adam West & Burt Ward, until Christopher Reeves flew counter clockwise to rewind time (writing that just makes me cackle). Iconic. But not as iconic as Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman -- so I hope they don't fuck that up. I'm still unsure about Gal as Diana/WW but I'm excited about the news that Connie Nielsen is WonderMommy and Robin Wright is one of her aunts.

p.s. I'm also here for Jason Momoa as Aquaman though I don't care for Ezra Miller as Flash.

[musesfool]

Yeah, I haven't seen him in anything else (I don't think?) so I don't know if he can actually act, but it's a sad thing when the franchise star is listed as one of the film's major liabilities. (Though it could also be the writing. It sounds like a lot of it is the writing.)

I really hope that Wonder Woman and Aquaman are decent! I am not interested in a non-Grant Gustin Flash though.

[hypertwink]

The Man From UNCLE was fun, and my mom says it's probably his audition reel for James Bond.

Wonder Woman: Someone invent a time machine and get a younger Gina Torres to play her.

I'm actually curious about Aquaman but as much as I don't like Grant Gustin, I dislike Ezra Miller even more. Is he playing Barry too?

[musesfool]

Yeah, it's Barry in the films too, which I don't understand, but whatever. Almost nothing DC has done with these movies makes sense to me.

[tsuki_no_bara]

i too am taking a weird pleasure in negative reviews of bvs, altho so far i've only read two (film freak central, which doesn't seem to be about the movie as much as it's about what the movie says about americans, and the mary sue). my sister wants to see it and i don't know how to tell her all the reviews are bad and she's probably not going to like it.

[musesfool]

Those were both fascinating reviews, too. I don't agree with Devin Faraci a lot, but his review was also interesting: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/22/batman-v-superman-review-zack-snyders-doomsday

[hypertwink]

Ah, this is the review I read where Batman is a psychopath and Superman is a sociopath, and everything is just wrong.

[vonniek]

I just read The Mary Sue review linked upthread and burst into laughter at "objectively, this is one of the ugliest movies I’ve ever seen, and I left feeling like I’d had just been yelled at by someone I don’t know on a bus." I have voluntarily watched about 3 1/2 Zack Synder movies in total, and that's 3 more Snyder movies than what anyone should subject themselves to. Like you, I am feeling an unseemly amount of schadenfreude over the terrible reviews! That poor cast though. That's a lot of decent actors (esp. in the supporting roles -- I am indifferent to Affleck and Cavill) wasted in a dour OOC punchfest.

(Maybe the critical backlash will be embarrassing enough that TPTB will hand over the rein to the rest of the DC movie franchise to someone competent? One lives in hope. Or delusion.)

Re. Arrow. I am so annoyed at the incredibly obvious plot machinations to keep Oliver and Felicity apart that... it's kinda made me quit shipping them. And it's giving me the sads. :( Both Amell and EBR knocked the emotions out of the park and I

[musesfool]

I've only seen Man of Steel, and I hated what it did to Superman, so I didn't have high hopes for this, but the reviews are AMAZING. I mean, the movie is still unfortunately going to rake in the cash, but hopefully it falls short of internal projections due to how terrible it is, because my god, it's made of bees it sounds terrible, and, as you say, they hand over the reins to someone who actually understands the characters.

Otoh, Justice League is supposed to begin shooting in like 3 weeks, so I'm not sure they'll pull the plug that close in to filming.

O/F worked as well as it did because it developed organically. Now they're being through contrived soap opera paces and ugh, this is not what I wanted with my unconventional ship.

*nod nod*

I mean, I still ship it pretty hard, especially since they're never going to give me Felicity/Barry, but I just have to roll my eyes forever at the terrible writing to keep them apart. It's SO DUMB.

[percysowner]

I decided I had to show you this from Mother Jones It starts

This is a bad film.

Very bad. Profoundly bad. This movie is exhaustingly, catastrophically bad. It is a failure on every single level. The story is bad. The direction is bad. The music somehow manages to be bad. The acting is at best serviceable and at worst, in one egregious case, unwatchable. The sensation of watching this film is pain. The mount of pain may vary depending on your particular tastes, but some measure of pain is the promise of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

[musesfool]

Woo! Thanks for that one. I hadn't read it but it's great.