Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways
So. We seem to have skipped actual BW/PotW discussion and gone straight to S1 overviews, but I don't like leaving them out, so I'm doing them anyway. XP
So here we go into Nine's goodbye... hold on tight, boys and girls, this one's gonna be a bumpy ride and not everyone's coming out alive...
Vague refs for Torchwood and Last of the Time Lords.
( 'BUT YOU HAVE NO WEA-PONS. NO DE-FEN-SES. NO PLAN.' 'Yeah. And doesn't that scare you to death.' )
So here we go into Nine's goodbye... hold on tight, boys and girls, this one's gonna be a bumpy ride and not everyone's coming out alive...
Vague refs for Torchwood and Last of the Time Lords.
( 'BUT YOU HAVE NO WEA-PONS. NO DE-FEN-SES. NO PLAN.' 'Yeah. And doesn't that scare you to death.' )
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"EX-PLAIN YOUR-SELF."
"I said no."
"WHAT IS THE MEA-NING OF THIS NE-GA-TIVE?"
"It means no."
"BUT SHE WILL BE DES-TROYED."
"No. Cos this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna rescue her. I'm gonna save Rose Tyler from the middle of the Dalek fleet, and then I'm gonna save the Earth, and then, just to finish off, I'm gonna wipe every stinking Dalek out of the sky."
"BUT YOU HAVE NO WEA-PONS. NO DE-FEN-SES. NO PLAN."
"Yeah. And doesn't that scare you to death. Rose?"
"Yes, Doctor?"
"I'm coming to get you."
Still the pinnacle of Eccleston's entire year on the show, in my opinion. (And one of the first and best Doctor-badass moments of the new show.)
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This was also, Eccelston's finest hour as Nine. For as much intensity as he had in Dalek, he took Nine through a much more through emotional spectrum in PoTW. It's as if, knowing this was his last time in the role, he took everything Nine had gone through, pre - series and throughout the season, and just let everything lay bare for everybody to see. In the end, he plays his farewell pitch perfect.
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I agree, though, that Eccleston was amazing in that ep. As much as he ended up hating being on-set (I wish he'd just come straight out and say why, though, rather than being cryptic), no one could deny he gave his all for that ending.
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"What's your name, sweetheart?" "The Doctor, I think."
It's cute when he gets fuzzy about his name, I keep wondering how Ten would have played somethng similar.
Fuzzy Doctor is always cute! I wonder if his initial uncertainty about his name is a subtle play on Doctor not really being his name.
Pausing here for a note - took me a while to get how scary the Anne-droid is supposed to be, because, yeah, okay, robot that kills you with lasers when you get voted off, but the Anne bit.
I didn't really get the pun so much, having never seen The Weakest Link. Jokes are never as funny when they have to be explained. The Ann-droid wasn't especially scary for me, either. It was the concept and set-up of the game that was disturbing, not the droid itself.
Rose: "I was travelling, with the Doctor and a man called Captain Jack."
Jack: "I was with the Doctor."Probably just a difference of mindset here. Rose thinks of herself as traveling with her friends and Jack is bit more military minded and so names just the leader of their group. The Doctor ( ... )
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Yeah, that plus the amnesia - it's more ingrained in the others who they are - although "Jack Harkness" isn't Jack's name either...
The Ann-droid wasn't especially scary for me, either. It was the concept and set-up of the game that was disturbing, not the droid itself.
Ah, this is what I mean, though. The droid itself, if you've never seen Robinson, is just a droid that snarks at people and then shoots them. It was only after I saw her in action that the droid became scary in its own right.
Probably just a difference of mindset here.
Could be... I'll think about that.
I always want to see all the adventures they have off screen.
Oh, I do too, but especially that one, because it's Kyoto, and I already have an interest in Japan and in that period of history...
It's like a little preview of his 'I'm coming to get you' speech later on.
Ooh, it is! I love it when he gets threatening. XD
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Yeah, that plus the amnesia - it's more ingrained in the others who they are - although "Jack Harkness" isn't Jack's name either...
True, and he hasn't had it long enough at that stage to have pretty much made it his own yet like he has by the Torchwood series. Jack's probably used to keeping track of his cover story while disoriented.
Ooh, it is! I love it when he gets threatening. XD
YES. Nine is dead sexy when he's badass.
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Yes, but the Doctor's had his name for longer than Jack's been alive, why wouldn't it be...
I'm still gonna say differences in brain structure is a large part of it.
YES. Nine is dead sexy when he's badass.
Ha, yes, I suppose he is. XD Especially since I think Nine's attractiveness is mostly about his attitude - I think of him as the charismatic one, then Ten's the pretty one, and Eleven's the dorkily cute one.
No question. They need to recruit the Haitian from Heroes to cover for them. then again, half of Cardiff would have swiss cheese in their heads.
Yeah, that's a bandaid solution. They need to get better at not making so much mess, not just get a contractor in to do better clean-up. Although then we would have an excuse to get Nine and Claude in the same room - no, wait, you'd be dead on the floor, so maybe not.
*hands over a whip and chair to help you deal with the rampant plotbunnies*
Um. Thanks. Not sure they'll listen, though...
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Rose in the head-to-head and she's doomed. Oh, the "Face of Boe" question, he keeps being associated wih Bad Wolf too, which makes sense because she did, after all, create him...
I'm still not sure if I buy the Face of Boe as ancient!Jack. There are ways that it makes sense, but it still kind breaks my brain in others. Jack wouldn't be a above a bit of leg-pulling.
ROOOOOOOOOOSE! And Jack's yelling and screaming while the Doctor just shuts down, I don't think he even hears what the security bloke's saying to him.
Poor Doctor. I just want to hug him pretty much all the way through.
Storming the castle, and I love how he just throws the gun at Davitch. And Davitch just puts it down! And asks for permission to put it down!
Which just goes to show what a powerful presence the Doctor has at times. And show up, too, how the office drones aren't used to facing any danger personally for all that they're surrounded by contestant deaths all the time.
Oh, I love the Controller. "You can kill me, for I have brought your destruction." At ( ... )
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I don't really get how so many people don't believe it... I mean, there are a few things you have to work around, but, um... the TARDIS is bigger on the inside than the outside. What makes sense isn't so simple in this show. And, okay, I'd come down on the side of it being true anyway because of how it affects my reaction to Gridlock. The same incarnation of the Doctor who rejected Jack and called him "wrong" is there to comfort him when he dies and is so tender with him... And it explains why the Face would call him in NE, when the only time they'd met before, they barely even had a chance to acknowledge each other.
Poor Doctor. I just want to hug him pretty much all the way through.
Don't we all?
Which just goes to show what a powerful presence the Doctor has at times. And show up, too, how the office drones aren't used to facing any ( ... )
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I don't really get how so many people don't believe it... I mean, there are a few things you have to work around, but, um... the TARDIS is bigger on the inside than the outside. What makes sense isn't so simple in this show.
It's less a bad science/logic issue than it is that the Face of Boe and Jack don't feel like the same being to me. It's more of a character thing.
The same incarnation of the Doctor who rejected Jack and called him "wrong" is there to comfort him when he dies and is so tender with him... And it explains why the Face would call him in NE, when the only time they'd met before, they barely even had a chance to acknowledge each other.
And there's something else, why doesn't Boe 'feel wrong'? If he's Jack, he should have.
Don't we all?
The Doctor should have felt a measure of comfort with all us fangirls(and some boys) all over the world mentally glomping him throughout.
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I've got a theory that Jack, as he gets older, starts to become sort of... plugged back into the flow of spacetime again. Because otherwise, how could he physically get older, which he is? The passage of time shouldn't touch him at all...
But since he is getting older and his body is changing, he can't be 100% fixed, no matter what it feels like right now to the Doctor and the Master. He's not completely disconnected from that flow, and he reconnects with it more as he goes on. Happens very slowly and gradually, but eventually his timeline looks normal enough again that the Doctor doesn't even notice... and that's also how he can die.
Plus, the other option is ending up with Jack sitting on a rock in a dead universe forever, going insane because there's never ever going to be any other life for him to interact with ever again, unless the Doctor happens to show up by accident. And that's not good.
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Rose still hasn't got why they can't just go back and change things.
I think she may be thinking of it in terms of, "well, if they can go back and change things to create this situation, why can't we go back to stop them?" This does differ from what happened with her dad in that it was screwing with history that started the whole thing.
"You'd never do that." "But you could ask. Never even occurred to you, did it?"
This is why he loves her. And why I love her. *snuggles Rose*
Yet another way that she gets his whole lifestyle and matches him in living it. Just like her enthusiasm at the beginning of The Unquiet Dead and her willingness to let him blow her up to stop the Slitheen. For all that they come from different worlds (literally), they're kindred spirits.
And he's so good at pretending he has hope... all to send her away. And then that moment of hesitation before he activates the fast-return swtich.It must have been awful for him to abuse her trust like that, even knowing it was 'for her own good'. I put that in quotes ( ... )
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Yeah, but the Daleks're not screwing with it in a paradoxy way, and if the Doctor and Rose go back to stop it, then they're risking causing a paradox themselves, and, gah. And basically it's down to Rose not having figured out how it all works yet, but I can see how her thinking would make sense.
Yet another way that she gets his whole lifestyle and matches him in living it.
Exactly. They are kindred spirits, which is why she's the perfect companion. Which I have no qualms in saying, cos it doesn't imply I think she's a perfect human (which, obviously not), she's just everything he's looking for.
her willingness to let him blow her up to stop the SlitheenHuh. I just realised, one of the few times I can stand Donna is in Vesuvius, at the moment when she's doing ( ... )
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Exactly. They are kindred spirits, which is why she's the perfect companion. Which I have no qualms in saying, cos it doesn't imply I think she's a perfect human (which, obviously not), she's just everything he's looking for.
Exactly!
He must have been amazed that she ever trusted him again after that. Cos imagine taking a decision like that away from the person you love... mind you, didn't stop him trying to do it again a year later.
I'm a little disappointed that they didn't have it out about that on-screen sometime. Regeneration or not, I wouldn't have let that one slide without comment.
I saw a fic where they failed to open the panel, and Rose had to stay behind... and she couldn't handle it. She just went and lived in the TARDIS until the old girl decided to shut her out, it was quite painful... wish I could remember how it ended.
I think I've read that one, too. I'm not sure how it ended, either.
I need to see more Dalek stories before I can assess this properly. But I can say "yes, probably, so far". They do always scare ( ... )
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I'd be surprised if they didn't try - they probably couldn't fit the scene in anywhere.
Before, they were a very nasty and persistent threat, but you always knew the Doctor would pwn them again every time. The Time War has removed some of that easy certainty, most especially from the Doctor.
Yeah - and I think Dalek made such a point of shifting that, look at Adam just about quoting the "defeated by a flight of stairs" thing at it, and then it just flies up them. And yeah, they'd already introduced the concept that Daleks could fly, but the popular perception's always been "Daleks can't get up and down stairs", and then the ep brings up that perception for the sole purpose of saying "Except, actually they can, get back behind the sofa".
Anything that scares the Doctor is automatically going to scare us more.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? That works on me, but my friends still don't get why I'm scared of the Midnight entity...
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