Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways
So. We seem to have skipped actual BW/PotW discussion and gone straight to S1 overviews, but I don't like leaving them out, so I'm doing them anyway. XP
So here we go into Nine's goodbye... hold on tight, boys and girls, this one's gonna be a bumpy ride and not everyone's coming out alive...
Vague refs for Torchwood and Last of the Time Lords.
( 'BUT YOU HAVE NO WEA-PONS. NO DE-FEN-SES. NO PLAN.' 'Yeah. And doesn't that scare you to death.' )
So here we go into Nine's goodbye... hold on tight, boys and girls, this one's gonna be a bumpy ride and not everyone's coming out alive...
Vague refs for Torchwood and Last of the Time Lords.
( 'BUT YOU HAVE NO WEA-PONS. NO DE-FEN-SES. NO PLAN.' 'Yeah. And doesn't that scare you to death.' )
Rose still hasn't got why they can't just go back and change things.
I think she may be thinking of it in terms of, "well, if they can go back and change things to create this situation, why can't we go back to stop them?" This does differ from what happened with her dad in that it was screwing with history that started the whole thing.
"You'd never do that." "But you could ask. Never even occurred to you, did it?"
This is why he loves her. And why I love her. *snuggles Rose*
Yet another way that she gets his whole lifestyle and matches him in living it. Just like her enthusiasm at the beginning of The Unquiet Dead and her willingness to let him blow her up to stop the Slitheen. For all that they come from different worlds (literally), they're kindred spirits.
And he's so good at pretending he has hope... all to send her away. And then that moment of hesitation before he activates the fast-return swtich.It must have been awful for him to abuse her trust like that, even knowing it was 'for her own good'. I put that in quotes ( ... )
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Yeah, but the Daleks're not screwing with it in a paradoxy way, and if the Doctor and Rose go back to stop it, then they're risking causing a paradox themselves, and, gah. And basically it's down to Rose not having figured out how it all works yet, but I can see how her thinking would make sense.
Yet another way that she gets his whole lifestyle and matches him in living it.
Exactly. They are kindred spirits, which is why she's the perfect companion. Which I have no qualms in saying, cos it doesn't imply I think she's a perfect human (which, obviously not), she's just everything he's looking for.
her willingness to let him blow her up to stop the SlitheenHuh. I just realised, one of the few times I can stand Donna is in Vesuvius, at the moment when she's doing ( ... )
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Exactly. They are kindred spirits, which is why she's the perfect companion. Which I have no qualms in saying, cos it doesn't imply I think she's a perfect human (which, obviously not), she's just everything he's looking for.
Exactly!
He must have been amazed that she ever trusted him again after that. Cos imagine taking a decision like that away from the person you love... mind you, didn't stop him trying to do it again a year later.
I'm a little disappointed that they didn't have it out about that on-screen sometime. Regeneration or not, I wouldn't have let that one slide without comment.
I saw a fic where they failed to open the panel, and Rose had to stay behind... and she couldn't handle it. She just went and lived in the TARDIS until the old girl decided to shut her out, it was quite painful... wish I could remember how it ended.
I think I've read that one, too. I'm not sure how it ended, either.
I need to see more Dalek stories before I can assess this properly. But I can say "yes, probably, so far". They do always scare ( ... )
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I'd be surprised if they didn't try - they probably couldn't fit the scene in anywhere.
Before, they were a very nasty and persistent threat, but you always knew the Doctor would pwn them again every time. The Time War has removed some of that easy certainty, most especially from the Doctor.
Yeah - and I think Dalek made such a point of shifting that, look at Adam just about quoting the "defeated by a flight of stairs" thing at it, and then it just flies up them. And yeah, they'd already introduced the concept that Daleks could fly, but the popular perception's always been "Daleks can't get up and down stairs", and then the ep brings up that perception for the sole purpose of saying "Except, actually they can, get back behind the sofa".
Anything that scares the Doctor is automatically going to scare us more.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? That works on me, but my friends still don't get why I'm scared of the Midnight entity...
And they're ( ... )
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Yeah - and I think Dalek made such a point of shifting that, look at Adam just about quoting the "defeated by a flight of stairs" thing at it, and then it just flies up them. And yeah, they'd already introduced the concept that Daleks could fly, but the popular perception's always been "Daleks can't get up and down stairs", and then the ep brings up that perception for the sole purpose of saying "Except, actually they can, get back behind the sofa".
Yup. These ain't your daddy's Daleks, son.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? That works on me, but my friends still don't get why I'm scared of the Midnight entity...The Midnight entity is creepy as all get out! Anything that can take the Doctor over gets extra points on the Big Bad scale. But we never saw it and we never had any real understanding of what it was, what it's goals were. It was utterly alien and certainly brought the worst out in everyone (which was probably the situation but could have been some influence it had on human minds). How can you fight something like that that has ( ... )
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Or how you'd stop it without sacrificing its host. Or even if there's anything left of the host, in which case, the question becomes how do you stop it getting near you in the first place?
It was utterly alien and certainly brought the worst out in everyone (which was probably the situation but could have been some influence it had on human minds).
If you're thinking telepathic influence, I'd think it didn't need it. The repetition is enough to get people on edge, and once you get humans scared... and then you pick out the most vulnerable, which in this case is also the only guy still trying to keep the others calm, and completely undermine him... And once they're primed for a scapegoat, which, honestly, is easy with humans if you know what you're doing - it's horrible to think of your own species like that, but it's true, that mob mentality and fear of the Other is ( ... )
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Or how you'd stop it without sacrificing its host. Or even if there's anything left of the host, in which case, the question becomes how do you stop it getting near you in the first place?
Or how do you even tell where it is at any given time?
If you're thinking telepathic influence, I'd think it didn't need it.
I was, but sadly, I think you're right that it wouldn't need it.
Definitely didn't kill it. It was living out there to begin with... it didn't come back because it failed, it knew there wouldn't be a way back into anyone's head.
Or maybe it got enough of what it wanted not to need to. It might feed on paranoia for all we know.
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We know it likes to knock on walls...
Or maybe it got enough of what it wanted not to need to. It might feed on paranoia for all we know.
Why go after a new food source, then? Unless - oh, no, of course, an easier food source! Anything that feeds on emotions has got to be a great manipulator, or it runs the risk of starvation, but anything around it has evolved to resist manipulation... humans, though, are so easy to whip up into mobs... if they'd thrown the Doctor out, it could have ridden back to civilisation in Skye's body and imagine the damage it could have done then...
But once they threw out Skye, it wasn't hungry enough to feel like trying again. If the resort managers don't listen to the Doctor's warnings, though, it could get another chance. ...I don't even know how to make an emoticon that conveys the horror I feel at that thought.
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Why go after a new food source, then? Unless - oh, no, of course, an easier food source! Anything that feeds on emotions has got to be a great manipulator, or it runs the risk of starvation, but anything around it has evolved to resist manipulation...
Maybe it doesn't want to 'overgraze'. Let the cattle relax and lower their guards again before stampeding them again. If you'll pardon the mixed metaphor.
humans, though, are so easy to whip up into mobs... if they'd thrown the Doctor out, it could have ridden back to civilisation in Skye's body and imagine the damage it could have done then...
Smorgasbord.
But once they threw out Skye, it wasn't hungry enough to feel like trying again. If the resort managers don't listen to the Doctor's warnings, though, it could get another chance. ...I don't even know how to make an emoticon that conveys the horror I feel at that thought.And I suspect that's exactly what happened, though it might actually prefer keeping a lower profile, taking a shuttle like that now and again rather than ( ... )
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Oh, I like mixed metaphors. XD And that makes sense. It was so easy to stop them from listening to sense when the Doctor was standing right in front of them, once the trouble's over and he's gone, it wouldn't expect them to take his advice then either.
Smorgasbord.
I should probably mention, I read that in Ten's voice. And it makes it really, really creepy.
though it might actually prefer keeping a lower profile, taking a shuttle like that now and again rather than storming the castle and risk scaring the food away permanently.
Could be. It's probably clever enough to. On the other hand, if it gets curious about where these so badly-protected beings come from, and starts wondering how much better it could do for itself with a larger food supply... *shudder*
Why do I keep talking about this before bedtime?
Cos you're a masochist?
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Oh, I like mixed metaphors. XD And that makes sense. It was so easy to stop them from listening to sense when the Doctor was standing right in front of them, once the trouble's over and he's gone, it wouldn't expect them to take his advice then either.
And I'm sure, too, that folks who weren't there might write a lot of what happened off as a sort of 'mass' hysteria.
I should probably mention, I read that in Ten's voice. And it makes it really, really creepy.
That is a word he's enjoy saying. In this context, though, very creepy.
On the other hand, if it gets curious about where these so badly-protected beings come from, and starts wondering how much better it could do for itself with a larger food supply... *shudder*
Forget the suitcase, there's storage pods worth of bad in that.
Cos you're a masochist?
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Especially if the Doctor can't find anyone among the people in charge who actually knows who he is - if he can call on his reputation, he can add a lot of credence to their story, but if no one on the planet's heard of him, he'll just look like another hysterical passenger.
Forget the suitcase, there's storage pods worth of bad in that.
Oh, yeah.
And that video works so well it scares me. XD
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