As this is my absolute favourite Who-topic, I just HAVE to chime in. I agree with the idea that the whole "blood and genocide" speech was Ten's embaresment at seeing himself in Ten Too. And who believes that TenToo is really such a nice guy anyway? Basically even the Doctor doesn't know. At all. He throws TenToo and Rose together on the off chance that they will make it work, without even knowing what those DNA changes have really done to this nice duplicate... SO, just a little question: what do any of you think would happen if NOBODY HAD GOTTEN OUT OF THE TARDIS and (by accident) the TARDIS had been thrown back into the proper universe...? Mayhem, right? I mean, if Ten was saying al those things just to alienate Rose and chase her into TenToo's arms, so to speak, wouldn't it be the ultimate challenge if they had to sort things out together, in stead of conveniently zipping of?
This scenario still makes me think WTF? I don't care what he meant by it: He said the man was dangerous, and then told Rose to help him get better. Really? How does that work? Did Rose take a degree in psychology and anger management in the other universe
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It seems really messed up that he'd do that. Maybe he didn't mean it and just wanted an excuse to be shot of his son "clone" because what kind of dick would unload a mass-murderer onto an innocent young woman? No, Doctor, it is not Rose's job to fix people for you!
I pessimistically think they're a bit doomed anyway, especially if he takes after his mum Donna in actually talking about his feelings on occasion. Or his past. She don't wanna know, Handy! She thinks she does but she don't!
You know me and TPTB, so I think they eventually ended up blissful, but I'd be lying if I said that the potential to be doomed (and the resulting angst) wasn't a big part about what makes them such a fascinating pairing to me. They have a long road ahead of them to be happy.
The whole thing doesn't seem that thought through to me. I mean, Rose was always about the Doctor, not "some guy who is more or less him but is also half Donna." The assumption being made that she wants him to be humanyer is probably right, but I think she'd put up more of a fight about it when it actually happened.
The Doctor is the great manipulator. He manipulates every companion to some degree. Yes, I think he fell in love with Rose and she with him but that doesn't mean he wouldn't manipulate her to do what he wants or what he has decided is best for her. Rose is compassionate. She's not perfect and totally human with her flaws but still compassionate. I think she also is protective of him and he plays on both her compassion and her protectiveness
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Keeping both of them in this universe and away from his past mistakes/his enemies keeps them safe. The Doctor has a lot of enemies who would use both Rose and TenII to hurt him and endanger the universe. The Doctor may not like it but, he knows what has to be done. I don't believe it was easy for him to walk away. But, depending on how angry and resentful Ten II isn't it more likely that the Doctor is protecting his more vulnerable friends in this Universe from TenII? And if Ten II resentment is towards Ten--and from what we see it is--isn't the first person Ten should want to protect from the Metacriss Ten's anger and resentment than Rose Tyler? Who knows better how to hurt the Doctor using Rose, than the Doctor? He's a Time Lord and looks at things as a Time Lord. I believe he looks at the possibilities/time lines (the what could be) and pushes Rose toward what he thinks is the best outcome. There is very little in classic Who canon to suggest that a Time Lord would think it is prudent or in the best interest of anyone to place
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Honesty I don't see the basis for TenToo being considered 'angry'. One thing that I think comes up a lot in canon is that what Ten says and what he does/really thinks are often two different things. Same thing with describing him as vengeful - he pretty much did the same thing as Harriet Jones, who was vindicated (in the dialogue, at that!) by the events of TSE/JE as being totally spot on despite Ten's anger.
TenToo did nothing in JE that Ten himself didn't do multiple times during his tenure - at least one of those times (Doomsday) involved laughing gleefully with Rose as the Daleks were being vanquished/executed. I don't see that the universe would need any more protecting from TenToo than it would from Ten.
Re resentment, other than his annoyance at being called blood/anger/revenge-y, I didn't see anything to indicate that TenToo is unstable or resentful. If anything, it's Ten who gives TenToo a look that could kill, as Rose is summoning them both to the waters edge to finish the sentence.
TBH I think Ten's a bit of a hypocrite in saying that genociding the Daleks is a terrible dreadful thing that he'd never ever do. Except for all those times when he tried to do it. Um.
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Though I will say that I think part of Ten's comment was due to his self-directed dislike (hatred even?).
Will add more thoughts when more awake.
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SO, just a little question: what do any of you think would happen if NOBODY HAD GOTTEN OUT OF THE TARDIS and (by accident) the TARDIS had been thrown back into the proper universe...? Mayhem, right? I mean, if Ten was saying al those things just to alienate Rose and chase her into TenToo's arms, so to speak, wouldn't it be the ultimate challenge if they had to sort things out together, in stead of conveniently zipping of?
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I pessimistically think they're a bit doomed anyway, especially if he takes after his mum Donna in actually talking about his feelings on occasion. Or his past. She don't wanna know, Handy! She thinks she does but she don't!
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He's a Time Lord and looks at things as a Time Lord. I believe he looks at the possibilities/time lines (the what could be) and pushes Rose toward what he thinks is the best outcome. There is very little in classic Who canon to suggest that a Time Lord would think it is prudent or in the best interest of anyone to place ( ... )
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TenToo did nothing in JE that Ten himself didn't do multiple times during his tenure - at least one of those times (Doomsday) involved laughing gleefully with Rose as the Daleks were being vanquished/executed. I don't see that the universe would need any more protecting from TenToo than it would from Ten.
Re resentment, other than his annoyance at being called blood/anger/revenge-y, I didn't see anything to indicate that TenToo is unstable or resentful. If anything, it's Ten who gives TenToo a look that could kill, as Rose is summoning them both to the waters edge to finish the sentence.
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