Comments | clari_clyde: i admire your loyalty; i only wish he felt the same way.

clari_clyde

i admire your loyalty; i only wish he felt the same way.

Apr 15, 2013 21:16

Fannishly, something happened to me in the last six months - I fell hard for Supernatural and especially for Destiel.

Now, I always liked it but it’s been a slow build from S4 when Kripke was showrunner and Castiel appeared as an angel with a haughty attitude towards humans. And the show and this ship remained on my backburner where it already was ( Read more... )

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bittermint April 16 2013, 04:42:54 UTC

OMG, you like Vikings too? *bounces*

You still coming down to see Trance with me this weekend?

clari_clyde April 16 2013, 05:02:44 UTC

Yes. Vikings. You have no idea how sad I am that there’s only two episodes left. T_T Because Vikings! Hot men in hot leather going on raids ’n’ stuff.

PM me the movie times and we’ll talk there about when I’m coming over.

feilongfan April 16 2013, 11:35:26 UTC

I plan to watch all the movie you listed except for After Earth, The Wolverine and The Hunger Ganes. I will add World War Z, Foxcatcher on my list, probably This is the End.

clari_clyde April 17 2013, 02:51:12 UTC

I want to see Foxcatcher so bad! I just don’t have a release date for it yet except for a vague "late 2013.”

This is the End with Seth Rogan and Jonah Hill, right? I dunno. It looks like a typical dick flick. And I also thought about World War Z and I like the premise but the trailer makes it look like it’ll be nothing but CGI of people climbing over each other.

feilongfan April 17 2013, 11:39:56 UTC

Yes, This is the End is the Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill movie. It could be fun, and Channing has a cameo. World War Z has Brad Pitt, so it should be more than just CGI, well, I like the CGI shown in the trailer actually.

clari_clyde April 17 2013, 15:36:14 UTC

See, I don’t like having to choose between Brad Pitt and uninteresting CGI. That said, I won’t put in my vote to see it but, if enough of my friends do, then I’ll tag along.

And Channing has a cameo! OMG say no more! Yeah, okay, I’ll go see it just for him.

butterfly April 18 2013, 05:10:48 UTC

One of the things that I noticed when I came back in S8 is that the show hates on the ladies a lot less than it used to (omg S3/4 -- when I left -- were really heavy on use of the word 'bitch' and general lady-hating). Might be residual left over from Gamble & the people she brought in? Both Robbie T. & Adam Glass started on her watch and are two of the strongest writers for women that the show currently has.

And then come back to me for S9 and ask me again if this show is queerbaiting.

I'm still not over the tweet where Adam Glass (I believe) basically said, "we're not queer-baiting except for how we're doing the exact definition of queerbaiting" -- that whole 'the relationship is for the fans to interpret' tweet. It basically made me face-palm and go, 'oh, hon'.

clari_clyde April 18 2013, 07:10:51 UTC

omg S3/4

Even though I understood that Dean had a lot of internalized self-hate, I almost rage-quit the show in S4.

I wonder when Gamble started gaining influence because she wasn’t officially the showrunner until S6, IIRC. But yes, I really noticed the change in tone towards women when Charlie didn’t die.

Right now, I think Thompson and Dabb are the strongest with women and Carver and Edlund are the strongest with Destiel.

for the fans to interpretLOLz, no. Every story is going to be a conversation between the creators and the consumers but that conversation has to be based on text and not wishful thinking. Just because a fan has an opinion doesn’t mean it’s right ( ... )

butterfly April 20 2013, 17:08:02 UTC

Even though I understood that Dean had a lot of internalized self-hate, I almost rage-quit the show in S4.

I quit after one of their what-is-consent episodes -- "Wishful Thinking" (which was an Edlund episode) -- I think because it felt like we were supposed to pity the dude that he wasn't able to continue to mind-control the girl into a relationship anymore (after having done so for a month) and it was a real 'flames on the side of my face' moment. How is Joss Whedon the only man in television who can acknowledge that shit like that is rape? Oh, I have a whole rageful post about it, actually: http://butterfly.livejournal.com/1247678.html

I still haven't rewatched any of the S3/4 episodes that really pissed me off back in the day.

I wonder when Gamble started gaining influence because she wasn’t officially the showrunner until S6, IIRC. But yes, I really noticed the change in tone towards women when Charlie didn’t die.We know that Gamble is the person who put her foot down ( ... )

clari_clyde April 20 2013, 17:37:53 UTC

OMG, I didn’t know Gamble did that with Sam and Ruby. I don’t like the hurt/comfort tone she brought to the show as showrunner because it systematically killed off everyone the boys interacted with, but she’s written some of my fave episodes and know that about her just made her cooler.

Many people on Tumblr point out that Tintin is Moffat’s least problematic work because there are no women or POCs for him to screw up and I hope that Edlund’s episodes aren’t light on women because they’re his Tintin.

As for interpretation, I just can’t see how Destiel is considered subtext except with an extremely narrow heteronormative worldview; I’m at the point where I have low opinions of people who think Destiel is only subtext. But then, I am disappointed with Misha’s “just because we’re not talking about it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.” It’s happening, great! Now how about you talk about it and hit those people with blinders on with a clue-by-four?

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NAOMI, NO! (AKA: THE TITLE IS KILLING MY HEART!) originalpuck April 23 2013, 06:24:12 UTC

Ah, Destiel. My current pairing of choise. I have so many feels about it, and love it to death. And yet I also have so many fears about what would happen if it were to become canon. I definitely see the subtext, and yeah, it would feel great to me if it were to become canon (BOOM, YAY, AWESOME QUEER MAIN CHARACTERS). But at the same time, I just have so many issues with how the show, and fandom as a whole, treats the few characters that are canonically identified as queer, that I don't even know how I would handle some of these people (or how they would handle actually getting their ship in canon, as much as they seem to want it ( ... )

Re: NAOMI, NO! (AKA: THE TITLE IS KILLING MY HEART!) clari_clyde April 23 2013, 06:52:22 UTC

Okay: They’ve already killed off Castiel and the ratings tanked. So they’re not going to do that again. Or if they do, they’d wait until the series finale but even then I don’t think they’d go there ( ... )

Re: NAOMI, NO! (AKA: THE TITLE IS KILLING MY HEART!) originalpuck April 23 2013, 07:56:17 UTC

I'll have to go looking for that piece, than. Sounds interesting. I'm definitely not one of those that hated any one particular season, so it'll be interesting to see the breakdown based on who was the taking the mantle (it's also interesting to break it down by episode, but I'm pretty lazy and that takes me forever, ngl ( ... )

Re: NAOMI, NO! (AKA: THE TITLE IS KILLING MY HEART!) clari_clyde April 24 2013, 03:57:52 UTC

My issues with Meg is that I still remember when she possessed Sam and sexually threatened Jo. So even if there weren’t any consent issues with Castiel as a mental patient, I still couldn’t get past that. However, my big issue with how she died is that the writers thought that her crowning moment of glory would be as a love interest when no, that’s not how you send off villains or even dubious characters in a blaze of fire. You send them off with redemption and sympathy by doing something so gloriously evil to further the protagonists’ interests ( ... )