Your understanding of the Eucharist is contained within the Catholic: yes, it is a remembrance - but not only. Your position on the communion seems to be close to the Zwinglian one, so (officially at least) not only Catholic and Orthodox, but also Episcopalian (Anglican), Presbyterian (Calvinist) and Lutheran churches would disagree with you.
Jesus went to the Father to send us the Spirit at the Ascension. When He died, He descended into the realm of Death to free the righteous in bondage there and defeat death for all of us.
Belief in doctrines do not save us - belief in Jesus does.
I'm a Presbyterian and when we take the Eucharist it's in remembrance, not that it becomes the body of Christ. "Take this in REMEMBRANCE of me." So don't make blanket statements like the one you just made above.
What the OP and you describe is not the Calvinist sacramentology, which Presbyterians (in theory) should adhere to according to the Westminster confession, but the Zwinglian (which is held by Baptists et.c
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THANK YOU! I'm a Presbyterian and I am tired of people (including some Presbyterians) attributing the Zwinglian view to the Presbyterian church. Calvin advocated no such thing. :P
Also, I find the phrase, "Christ made me understand they're not doing anything right," to be a little over-the-top. That many years of scripture and tradition and we haven't got even one thing right? Did Christ tell you this personally?
Although that is on par with the Pope declaring that "Anyone who isn't a Catholic isn't a true Christian and is going straight to hell without passing go or collecting $200."
So, when did the pope say that anyone who isn't a Catholic isn't a true Christian? That would be going against the teachings of the Church, see. A Christian is a) baptised or b) wanting to be baptised (a cathecumen); valid baptism performed with the trinitarian formula, natch.
Although that is on par with the Pope declaring that "Anyone who isn't a Catholic isn't a true Christian and is going straight to hell without passing go or collecting $200."
Which, of course you're aware the Pope never said anything remotely resembling that.
While there are some outliers Catholics accept the authority of the Papacy and have a single hierarchy. Orthodox have a completely separate hierarchy (different ones for different ethnic groups - although the vast majority of groups are in communion with each other and respect each other's Primate's decisions.) and do not take the Pope as the authority of their Churches. Catholics allow for Orthodox to take communion; however, Orthodox are restricted from taking communion in a Catholic church (there is an extenuating circumstances clause - but I don't remember what it is). In addition the Orthodox church does not recognize the sacraments (other than Baptism) of a Catholic church (there are varient views of Marriage as well, but. . . ). There are also clear doctrinal differences. For these reasons the Orthodox does not share communion with the Catholic and thus they are not the same religious group. Both (as well as most protestants) use the creed which states that they are catholic (small c), but that is not the same.
The passage about not wanting sin offerings is in several places. The variety of places that it exists in the Hebrew Bible discuss the specific cases of humans offering animals to redeem sins. The ranting addresses the fact that offering an animal is not enough for God, real repentance, a sincere effort to do better, and helping the poor and needy are much more important to God than burning an animal. Sometimes it is even qualified that God will accept the burnt offerings once proper atonement is made (Psalm something - if you really want to know the chapter and verse I can find it, just ask
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I know many passages by heart, but being raised Orthodox (and Catholic) remembering the chapter and verse of these passages was not nearly as important as remember the passage. Also after being Orthodox and studying Hebrew, I never get the Psalm numbers correct even if I remember them.
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Jesus went to the Father to send us the Spirit at the Ascension. When He died, He descended into the realm of Death to free the righteous in bondage there and defeat death for all of us.
Belief in doctrines do not save us - belief in Jesus does.
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"Take this in REMEMBRANCE of me."
So don't make blanket statements like the one you just made above.
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How do you other protestants handle catholics who believe in Mary?
Since when don't Protestants believe in Mary? Or is there some specific belief ABOUT her that you are referring to?
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Michigan rocked, btw.
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Also, I find the phrase, "Christ made me understand they're not doing anything right," to be a little over-the-top. That many years of scripture and tradition and we haven't got even one thing right? Did Christ tell you this personally?
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Although that is on par with the Pope declaring that "Anyone who isn't a Catholic isn't a true Christian and is going straight to hell without passing go or collecting $200."
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Which, of course you're aware the Pope never said anything remotely resembling that.
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Don't forget our Orthodox brothers and sisters. They, too, celebrate the true Body and Blood of Our Lord.
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I know many passages by heart, but being raised Orthodox (and Catholic) remembering the chapter and verse of these passages was not nearly as important as remember the passage. Also after being Orthodox and studying Hebrew, I never get the Psalm numbers correct even if I remember them.
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