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Sep 16, 2007 14:43

How do you other protestants handle catholics who believe in Mary ( Read more... )

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tempus_aeterna September 16 2007, 17:34:26 UTC
The passage about not wanting sin offerings is in several places. The variety of places that it exists in the Hebrew Bible discuss the specific cases of humans offering animals to redeem sins. The ranting addresses the fact that offering an animal is not enough for God, real repentance, a sincere effort to do better, and helping the poor and needy are much more important to God than burning an animal. Sometimes it is even qualified that God will accept the burnt offerings once proper atonement is made (Psalm something - if you really want to know the chapter and verse I can find it, just ask).

In the New Testament the cases are dealing with the fact that Jesus is the ultimate redemption for sins and takes the place of the traditional sin offering. It is another clause dealing with removing the Jewish laws from Christianity, because personal sin offerings are no longer necessary after Jesus was the ultimate and perfect sin offering.

God is exempt from both of these conditions. He is neither a human offering a burnt bull instead of proper atonement, nor a human Christian post-resurection. Jesus is God himself. God himself decided that in order to free humans from sin, he would come down and offer himself as the sacrifice to break the bonds of sin and the gates of hell. Sacrificial animals as sin offerings did not break the bonds of sin or the gates of hell. They were meant as atonement for one person (or one community)'s sin. These two offerings, while similar in nature, act in reality very differently. The burnt animal sin offerings are a type for the offering of Jesus, but they are not the same. The conditions of the "I don't like sin offerings" do not apply to Jesus' type of offering.

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martiancyclist September 16 2007, 17:39:05 UTC
Psalm 51, the last few verses.

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tempus_aeterna September 16 2007, 17:47:54 UTC
Thank you!!

I know many passages by heart, but being raised Orthodox (and Catholic) remembering the chapter and verse of these passages was not nearly as important as remember the passage. Also after being Orthodox and studying Hebrew, I never get the Psalm numbers correct even if I remember them.

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martiancyclist September 16 2007, 17:53:57 UTC
Well, my first impulse _was_ to say "Psalm 50"...

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tempus_aeterna September 16 2007, 18:02:06 UTC
Yeah. So you understand. . .

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amergina September 16 2007, 18:22:51 UTC
You beat me to it.

Apropos, this was the Psalm we sung at Roman Catholic Mass this morning.

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muraven September 18 2007, 01:47:05 UTC
You beat me to it, Psalm 51 is the only one I can recite from memory so when I heard the question it came immediately to mind.

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