Good to know I'm not the only one who was wondering what happened. It still felt disjointed after a second viewing, and I also noticed that there were A LOT of scenes of a mass of people in a room not moving and just talking at each other. WEIRD.
After the credits rolled and I opened a new text file to write down my reaction, all I had was "WHAT?" (And I don't think that was my sleep-deprivation talking either.)
There was a lot going on in this episode. Definitely needs a rewatch. There was some Edlundian moments, the board game for one, and almost every line Cas had. And then was the semi-anvilicious exchange between Dean and Meg. D: "Crowley's not a problem this year." M: "Crowley's always a problem." Does that mean that we'll see Crowley pop in soon? Or not since Dean, Mr. Knows He'll Stab Zachariah In The Face A Season Later, stated that he's not the problem?
*dies* OMG, my initial reaction WAS the title of this post! If your reaction was "Bhuz", then this episode was really, really left of center as your reactions are usually the most positive and squee-filled of anybody I know.
BTW, my second thought after this episode was literally your icon (I'm a visual learner and a lot of my thoughts are just pictures)!
There was some Edlundian moments, the board game for one, and almost every line Cas had
Now that I've watched the episode again, I can appreciate the dialogue more. You're right, it was very Edlund-esque, more so than I originally thought (I think I was distracted with all the strange). Beyond the skank references and demeaning remarks about women aimed at Meg, the actual writing/script was fine. To be fair there was SO MUCH exposition that I'm in awe all of it was able to be conveyed as well as it was even though the overall effect was a very strange, non-SPN-ish, and static-feeling episode.
the semi-anvilicious exchange between Dean and Meg....Does
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Methinks it was trying to please too many people at once. We had: 1) CASTIEL (again, with yet another personality makeover) 2) ANGELS 3) DEMONS BUT MOSTLY MEG 4) DEAN WITH A KID! 5) DEAN AND CASTIEL BONDING 6) AN ATTEMPT TO TIE THE PLOT TOGETHER
But idk - it just didn't feel like a SPN episode. Not really. Idk how to explain it outside of it felt too "big".
We were just missing a shirtless or one-layer scene and hurt!Sam and/or hurt!Dean followed by full-belly laughing and a brotherly moment of bonding. ;) Heh, now a SPN episode that plays to every single SPN trope is sounding like cracktastic fun.
it just didn't feel like a SPN episode ... it felt too "big".It's hard to pin down exactly why this episode felt strange. I've seen "weird" and "huh?" used to describe it a lot. I think there was a lot of exposition and effort expended in introducing new characters and repositioning old ones (as there inevitably is) while simultaneously having characters mend fences and move the plot forward. Also I found the camerawork to be strangely static, reduced to head shots of people talking in a room rather than action-y scenes or scenes with the boys walking around outside talking and moving and not just standing there with their confused faces on (see? They thought it was off, too). This episode had a lot going on in terms of getting things ready
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I loved the episode. I wonder if it was because I came in a little late? (I don't think I've been able to watch a single ep on time this season. Fridays are HORRIBLE.)
I found it pretty comprehensible. I loved that there is a new prophet and that the Angels right away tried to protect him, but really couldn't. I kind of don't think that Kevin is dead... I hope not. I really like the whole Meg/Cas thing they've got going on, but then, of course, I'm totally always about redemption, and for an Angel and a Demon to find redemption side by side is like CAKE AND ICECREAM (het flavored ice cream, nom nom nom)
Has anyone else cottoned to the strange coincidence that the two angels both had the names of famously sexual human females: Anais Nin and Hester Prynne? bzuh?
I'm glad you liked it. Now that it's settled in a bit, I think it's grown on me slightly. It still seems rather underwhelming and sort of too big for what it tried to do, but at least now I'm over the HUH? reaction. :) But the more I see Kevin, the more I really, really like him. The actor who plays him does a terrific job.
the Angels right away tried to protect him, but really couldn't
It was good Show addressed that potential plot hole. Yes, they really had to have the angels show up, but I understand why they were dispensed with so quickly as they're not part of this season and sort of muddle the story.
for an Angel and a Demon to find redemption side by side is like CAKE AND ICECREAM (het flavored ice cream, nom nom nom)
Well, when you put it that way, it does sound ... delicious. LOL! And, whoo, het! \o/\o/\o/ I should find a complimentary fandom that actually embraces het.
the two angels both had the names of famously sexual human females: Anais Nin and Hester Prynne?The Scarlet Letter popped right into my
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Haha, you know the sad thing is I don't know as I found it any more disjointed than any other episode of SPN recently. *sigh*
However, I just found the dialogue delivery from RM to be a little distracting tonight. Anyone else find themselves thinking that the microscopic het proportion of fandom will start writing Cas/Meg fic now?
Yeah, I did too. I seem to remember reading she had bad back problems and was on steroids and pain meds to be able to cope, and -- that certainly makes sense given her appearance and delivery which seems drugged.
They set up Cas/Meg a while ago in S6, though if it hasn't taken off by now, I suspect it won't. I did find myself thinking that this is only the second time I can recall Cas and Sam having any kind of serious one-on-one interaction in the series and there are plenty of people writing Sassy, so...
Somehow I get the feeling Ben got slated to write this episode not because he pitched it--it lacks that whimsical/zany/twisty cleverness that seems to be the hallmark of Edlund's screenplay brain
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I don't know as I found it any more disjointed than any other episode of SPN recently. *sigh*
I have to admit that I've not been as enthralled and engaged this season either (or last season for that matter). I'm hoping that Carver can inject some new (old) energy into the mix for S8 (yikes, I can't believe we're 8 years in already).
she had bad back problems and was on steroids and pain meds
I hadn't hear that but it would explain a lot. I find her performances aren't as sharp. I remember being blown away by her in 6x01 and thought her first scene in the hotel room was terrific--her eyes were all gleeful and menacing.
They set up Cas/Meg a while ago in S6
I suppose they did and banged that drum a couple of times quite loudly. I guess I just don't see angels as sexual beings whatsoever, so Cas with anyone just goes in my head and then out without much processing.
this is only the second time I can recall Cas and Sam having any kind of serious one-on-one interaction in the series and there are plenty of people writing Sassy
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I can't believe we're 8 years in already.I can when I look at J2. Bobby, amusingly, looks very much the same, but you can note the changes in the two of them. That's one reason I find it so frustrating that the show keeps circling round and round in the same characterization for them. I feel like neither has gone anywhere really since S4
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Every time I hear S1/S2 Sam and Dean's voices, I can't help but think "prepubescent" even though obviously they're not.
I feel like neither has gone anywhere really since S4.
Dean seems to be, for the most part, still dealing with his issues with alcohol and anger, although I feel like his issues with John have been tempered with time. I think Sam, though, has changed since S4. He's forgiven himself (mostly?) for what happened in S4/S5 and he made peace with John in 5x13. Even though I feel like the tension has eased from Sam and Dean's relationship this past season, their dynamic is still the same. I don't know if that's bec. the premise of the series remains static (brothers against all else, saving people, hunting things) or bec. the writers don't want to change it for fear of ruining a "good thing".
Cas with Anais, with Kevin, and with Others
Yikes. And those are good examples why fanfic thrives. Everyone can play in their own sandbox. ;)
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LOL at your icon! XD Perfect.
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There was a lot going on in this episode. Definitely needs a rewatch. There was some Edlundian moments, the board game for one, and almost every line Cas had. And then was the semi-anvilicious exchange between Dean and Meg. D: "Crowley's not a problem this year." M: "Crowley's always a problem." Does that mean that we'll see Crowley pop in soon? Or not since Dean, Mr. Knows He'll Stab Zachariah In The Face A Season Later, stated that he's not the problem?
GAH, Show's trying to break my brain!
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*dies* OMG, my initial reaction WAS the title of this post! If your reaction was "Bhuz", then this episode was really, really left of center as your reactions are usually the most positive and squee-filled of anybody I know.
BTW, my second thought after this episode was literally your icon (I'm a visual learner and a lot of my thoughts are just pictures)!
There was some Edlundian moments, the board game for one, and almost every line Cas had
Now that I've watched the episode again, I can appreciate the dialogue more. You're right, it was very Edlund-esque, more so than I originally thought (I think I was distracted with all the strange). Beyond the skank references and demeaning remarks about women aimed at Meg, the actual writing/script was fine. To be fair there was SO MUCH exposition that I'm in awe all of it was able to be conveyed as well as it was even though the overall effect was a very strange, non-SPN-ish, and static-feeling episode.
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1) CASTIEL (again, with yet another personality makeover)
2) ANGELS
3) DEMONS BUT MOSTLY MEG
4) DEAN WITH A KID!
5) DEAN AND CASTIEL BONDING
6) AN ATTEMPT TO TIE THE PLOT TOGETHER
But idk - it just didn't feel like a SPN episode. Not really. Idk how to explain it outside of it felt too "big".
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We were just missing a shirtless or one-layer scene and hurt!Sam and/or hurt!Dean followed by full-belly laughing and a brotherly moment of bonding. ;) Heh, now a SPN episode that plays to every single SPN trope is sounding like cracktastic fun.
it just didn't feel like a SPN episode ... it felt too "big".It's hard to pin down exactly why this episode felt strange. I've seen "weird" and "huh?" used to describe it a lot. I think there was a lot of exposition and effort expended in introducing new characters and repositioning old ones (as there inevitably is) while simultaneously having characters mend fences and move the plot forward. Also I found the camerawork to be strangely static, reduced to head shots of people talking in a room rather than action-y scenes or scenes with the boys walking around outside talking and moving and not just standing there with their confused faces on (see? They thought it was off, too). This episode had a lot going on in terms of getting things ready ( ... )
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I found it pretty comprehensible. I loved that there is a new prophet and that the Angels right away tried to protect him, but really couldn't. I kind of don't think that Kevin is dead... I hope not. I really like the whole Meg/Cas thing they've got going on, but then, of course, I'm totally always about redemption, and for an Angel and a Demon to find redemption side by side is like CAKE AND ICECREAM (het flavored ice cream, nom nom nom)
Has anyone else cottoned to the strange coincidence that the two angels both had the names of famously sexual human females: Anais Nin and Hester Prynne? bzuh?
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the Angels right away tried to protect him, but really couldn't
It was good Show addressed that potential plot hole. Yes, they really had to have the angels show up, but I understand why they were dispensed with so quickly as they're not part of this season and sort of muddle the story.
for an Angel and a Demon to find redemption side by side is like CAKE AND ICECREAM (het flavored ice cream, nom nom nom)
Well, when you put it that way, it does sound ... delicious. LOL! And, whoo, het! \o/\o/\o/ I should find a complimentary fandom that actually embraces het.
the two angels both had the names of famously sexual human females: Anais Nin and Hester Prynne?The Scarlet Letter popped right into my ( ... )
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However, I just found the dialogue delivery from RM to be a little distracting tonight. Anyone else find themselves thinking that the microscopic het proportion of fandom will start writing Cas/Meg fic now?
Yeah, I did too. I seem to remember reading she had bad back problems and was on steroids and pain meds to be able to cope, and -- that certainly makes sense given her appearance and delivery which seems drugged.
They set up Cas/Meg a while ago in S6, though if it hasn't taken off by now, I suspect it won't. I did find myself thinking that this is only the second time I can recall Cas and Sam having any kind of serious one-on-one interaction in the series and there are plenty of people writing Sassy, so...
Somehow I get the feeling Ben got slated to write this episode not because he pitched it--it lacks that whimsical/zany/twisty cleverness that seems to be the hallmark of Edlund's screenplay brain ( ... )
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I have to admit that I've not been as enthralled and engaged this season either (or last season for that matter). I'm hoping that Carver can inject some new (old) energy into the mix for S8 (yikes, I can't believe we're 8 years in already).
she had bad back problems and was on steroids and pain meds
I hadn't hear that but it would explain a lot. I find her performances aren't as sharp. I remember being blown away by her in 6x01 and thought her first scene in the hotel room was terrific--her eyes were all gleeful and menacing.
They set up Cas/Meg a while ago in S6
I suppose they did and banged that drum a couple of times quite loudly. I guess I just don't see angels as sexual beings whatsoever, so Cas with anyone just goes in my head and then out without much processing.
this is only the second time I can recall Cas and Sam having any kind of serious one-on-one interaction in the series and there are plenty of people writing Sassy ( ... )
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Every time I hear S1/S2 Sam and Dean's voices, I can't help but think "prepubescent" even though obviously they're not.
I feel like neither has gone anywhere really since S4.
Dean seems to be, for the most part, still dealing with his issues with alcohol and anger, although I feel like his issues with John have been tempered with time. I think Sam, though, has changed since S4. He's forgiven himself (mostly?) for what happened in S4/S5 and he made peace with John in 5x13. Even though I feel like the tension has eased from Sam and Dean's relationship this past season, their dynamic is still the same. I don't know if that's bec. the premise of the series remains static (brothers against all else, saving people, hunting things) or bec. the writers don't want to change it for fear of ruining a "good thing".
Cas with Anais, with Kevin, and with Others
Yikes. And those are good examples why fanfic thrives. Everyone can play in their own sandbox. ;)
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