Why SPN Needs To Catch A Case of “Glee” (spoilers for SPN 6x08 and Glee 2x06)

Nov 14, 2010 00:00

Bargggh!  Hello, flist!  Breaking radio silence!  :D  I feel like I've been stuck in a well for the last month or two or five, but (I think?) I've escaped for now.  *looks around*  Freedom means fandom dorkery, which means Show, which means mindless nattering, which sometimes means meta.  \o/  So ... after watching this past week’s episode of "Glee ( Read more... )

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galathea_snb November 14 2010, 08:56:16 UTC
Hm, interesting. :) I think I feel differently about it all exactly because I feel that Dean shows that all he wants is his real brother back. Yes, he is angry and violent and resentful, but all these emotions are directed towards this not!version of his brother. To me it comes off as Dean hating robo!Sam so much exactly because he is not his Sammy, but a travesty of the real thing. And the reason he stays with this Sam is because he is the only tangible link to his real brother ( ... )

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bowtrunckle November 29 2010, 03:10:36 UTC
but all these emotions are directed towards this not!version of his brother

I need to separate S6Sam from S1-S5Sam because, to me, even though what we're seeing isn't the same Sam as before, to me, this is still Sam ... just Sam stripped down, Sam without part of himself, a more feral Sam without his empathetic soul to buffer his thoughts/instincts/urges from the rest of the world. So when I see Dean taking his frustrations out on Sam and being disdainful and angry, I see Dean doing that to Sammy, his little brother. This isn't to say Dean isn't entitled to his feelings or that Sam doesn't deserve it. But my knee jerk reaction (no matter how much I try to rationalize it, no matter what my head thinks) is just "Oh, noooo, boys." :(

But then he spends a couple of weeks with his brother and is reminded of the good things in his past self. I don't think that's a coincidence.I'm not disagreeing with you. It's just that I'm having a hard time seeing why Sam would think that anything in the last couple of weeks could be remotely good ( ... )

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galathea_snb November 30 2010, 11:58:49 UTC
to me, this is still Sam
Oh, I agree, this is definitely still Sam. It's his body and his memories, all his intellectual knowledge and his character traits, but the inherent 'Sam-ness' is gone. Dean's frustration is all about the fact that the brother he knows and loves is still as unreachable as he was when Sam was in Lucifer's cage. I understand Dean's frustration, but unless Sam gave aways his soul willingly - and even then I need to know the exact circumstances - I don't think Sam deserves any of Dean's violence. It's not as if Sam could help it or hurts Dean deliberately.

And for the record: My knee-jerk reaction is also 'Oh, no, boys!' - but then I try to get past that and think about it. That helps. :)

It's just that I'm having a hard time seeing why Sam would think that anything in the last couple of weeks could be remotely good.Oh, but Sam's statment wasn't about the last couple of weeks. It was about memories he has from his souled self. There are all these memories involving Dean and rationally Sam knows that those are ( ... )

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datenshiblue November 14 2010, 17:10:06 UTC
It's taken them a while to get there admittedly but I think we're about to get a little contrast back.

I don't know how you feel about spoilers but 6.09 is going to include some fun as well as (probably) the usual angst. I think now that Sam isn't pretending, Dean's able to react to him with less suspicion and more actual dealing.

Have you seen the sneak peak yet?

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/2292479.html?#cutid1

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bowtrunckle November 29 2010, 03:35:25 UTC
So I'm terribly late at replying to these comments, but, yes, I did see the sneak peek! 6x09 was a nice reprieve from all the brother fist fighting, and I always appreciate Edlund's humor. :) Ha, tiny tea cups!

I think, though, that Dean is still quite distrustful/suspicious of Sam (and for good reason). I'm not entirely convinced that either Sam or Dean are ready to do any actually "find Sam's soul" problem solving when it seems like neither of them are convincing each other that they really want Sam's soul back. It seems like all of Sam's questions about why it's good to suffer has Dean wondering if Sam wants his soul back *points to the final conversation of the episode* and Dean seems rather reticent to do anything to get Sam's soul back *points to the scene with Crowley in 6x08*. But I hope my impressions are wrong. I'd like to see some serious headway being made on the mytharc. It would mean that Sam and Dean are closer to a real, soulful Sam and Dean brother hug!

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blackjedii November 15 2010, 00:41:56 UTC
I actually have found Psych and Chuck to be far more enjoyable because they're fun in a way SPN simply stops. Even Weekend at Bobby's, which is my #1 ep this season, falls flat in comparison to say, Tall Tales or even Monster Movie.

It's just not fun, and it's at a point where the disinterest outweighs the investment. Even if they make leaps and bounds towards repairing the brothers, it's darkened by the fact that I'll be counting time down to when they use it for a cheap "emotional" plot again.

I don't know; the next two weeks will be curious to watch. SPN's ratings took a heavy hit last Friday which could just be a result of Veteran's Day, but I'm curious as to how the "online" audience reacts. Many of them seem to be ready to cut out already; TWoP's certainly been a little more whole on their dislike lately, even if the motivations for why tend to differ.

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blackjedii November 15 2010, 04:14:26 UTC
Ahh, well at least it's good to know I'm not the only one?

I don't know. The thing is, I only watch now on the off chance that it's going to get even slightly better. If it doesn't by the hiatus, I'm pretty sure I'm out for the duration. I still haven't watched... something like 6 of 8 of the last eps of S5, and I have no inclination to either.

And truthfully? Probably half my frusration is notundestanding why the hell the writers do this every time. If I'm getting the wrong idea of Sam being the Eternal Plot Device / one I'm supposed to find irredeemably unlikeable, what am I supposed to get instead? And what's the point? Saving a loved one, which was supposed to be the theme for this year, only works if it's obvious that there's a loved one. Only one on this show that's getting her due adoraton is th Impala.

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ramblin_rosie November 15 2010, 02:07:08 UTC
Yes. And we don't just need comic relief, either:

But the “consolation” of fairy-tales has another aspect than the imaginative satisfaction of ancient desires. Far more important is the Consolation of the Happy Ending. Almost I would venture to assert that all complete fairy-stories must have it. At least I would say that Tragedy is the true form of Drama, its highest function; but the opposite is true of Fairy-story. Since we do not appear to possess a word that expresses this opposite-I will call it Eucatastrophe. The eucatastrophic tale is the true form of fairy-tale, and its highest function ( ... )

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dianne_37 November 15 2010, 02:31:39 UTC
I'm ever so slowly catching up, I'm on episode three of SPN ... Megavideo only lets me watch sixty six minutes of free stuff per day so I can only watch one episode a day when I get time, which is hard to get right now. I'd buy into the site but I don't want to. The other free sites so far aren't working on my computer, they freeze up and I'm stuck with old-infomercial-like viewing ... that frame by frame weirdness from the late nineties. Ugh!
My computer is slowly dying. Loud noises and white screens of death are occurring more frequently. Not good. We're going to wipe everything off it probably next weekend and see if that helps. Hope so. Glee is actually a good show, I'm dying to know what happened with gay kid's dad in the hospital. That's one of the episodes I saw and I saw two more on the plane. I'll find a way to watch it and catch up. I do like singing and dancing on tv!

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