Oh, yes. :) This is so the kind of shit I'm in fandom for. I've read the novel recently but haven't seen the film in years, so am sort of the opposite of your target audience, but still. Love. :)
(And Jim IS in love with the Enterprise. Just not as much as Spock. He gives all other lovers up for Enterprise--or equates them with her, apparently--and gives up Enterprise for Spock. Easy. :))
I'll meet you halfway and say, loves Enterprise, is IN LOVE with Spock. He did say in the novel that seeing her again was like seeing a goddess again or some metaphor I can't recall, so that was a little more romantic and shows more of that bond than I let on in the novel. I guess I was just surprised that they even dared equated the Enterprise to a Lori and then to drug addiction. Ooh, and I forgot Uhura comparing Kirk getting the Enterprise back like getting a lover back, yes. *nods*
Thanks! The novel may be the shorter read, lol. I wish I could see the facial expression of a fangirl reading the novel for the first time. I need a protege. :P
I've seen you around too, and yeah, no clue why we're not friends. I KEEP MISSING GOOD PEOPLE, IDGI.
Anywho, so agreed on the footnote. I didn't talk about it much because the line-by-line analysis sort of cinches it for me, but yes, if I were the writer of a popular franchise and a whole bunch of people kept shipping a pairing I hated or totally disagreed with, I'd either ignore it or actively put in things to dissuade them.
And I like that, giving an answer we have to figure out. I figure a vague answer is better than a negative one, but for all the reasons listed, yeah, it would be less logical for that thing to be denouncing Kirk/Spock than upholding it.
I love the accidental bond theory, though I don't see it as a full bond just a shallow mating link like he had with T'Pring. I may have to give in and just accept it as my own personal canon already. It certainly makes not only the end of Amok Time make sense, but also the reason for Spock's leaving. And I find it interesting that the first time they share a mind meld is in the third season and then they technically meld four times in that season. In fact, you can probably say they really DID accidentally bond after their first mind meld, which was in The Paradise Syndrome, because Kirk was able to remember who he was and Spock came out of the meld gobsmacked and talking about Kirk being "an extremely dynamic individual."
In any case, it also makes great fanon regardless and I love playing around with the possibilities. :D
I loved everything about this meta ♥ I have to admit, the other night I saw your post warning us about this meta, and ever since then I was suuuuper excited! so yes.
This has left me with a blinding need to read the novelisation. Hopefully, I'll find the time to do so!
God, I don't even know what to say. In my head canon, the word t'hy'la is super steeped in Vulcan culture. Surak says a lot on the way things are more than just "the sum of their parts," and I think this has to do a lot with the way we interpret the word itself. You mentioned that Roddenberry didn't define it as friend-OR-brother-OR-lover, which makes me feel like if we just pick one or two, we're really not doing our jobs correctly as translators. This word is something bigger than any one friend, any one lover; this word is something that is greater than the sum of its parts. I was writing almost-fic once ("almost-fic" because it's called "The Teachings of Surak and Kir'Shara Translated by James Kirk, with forward by Spock of Vulcan," but sort of fic-y because Kirk
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I definitely need to look up TMP-era links. And I totally like that fic idea, you should complete that because it sounds interesting and I do remember the more than sum of their parts thing. I mean, even if someone were to say there was no sex (which is crazy since according to the footnote, Kirk implies that Spock can't have sex more than once every seven years when it's plain that Spock CAN as he's done so and told Droxine that the cycle can be interrupted) you can still totally call them soulmates because they're meant to be together. For fuck's sake, they even say that in the series via Edith.
Nice. I love how Spock is sort of standing there all huffy-like. I can almost hear his thoughts. "I wish to express my non-existent annoyance at being convinced to wear headwear of an Hispanic nature. And you are sleeping on the couch alone tonight, Captain."
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(And Jim IS in love with the Enterprise. Just not as much as Spock. He gives all other lovers up for Enterprise--or equates them with her, apparently--and gives up Enterprise for Spock. Easy. :))
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BTW, I think you're cool. I friend?
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And sure I'll friend you, sounds awesome!
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Man, I'm gonna have to reread the novel. Or maybe I'll just reread this.
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Anywho, so agreed on the footnote. I didn't talk about it much because the line-by-line analysis sort of cinches it for me, but yes, if I were the writer of a popular franchise and a whole bunch of people kept shipping a pairing I hated or totally disagreed with, I'd either ignore it or actively put in things to dissuade them.
And I like that, giving an answer we have to figure out. I figure a vague answer is better than a negative one, but for all the reasons listed, yeah, it would be less logical for that thing to be denouncing Kirk/Spock than upholding it.
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In any case, it also makes great fanon regardless and I love playing around with the possibilities. :D
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This has left me with a blinding need to read the novelisation. Hopefully, I'll find the time to do so!
God, I don't even know what to say. In my head canon, the word t'hy'la is super steeped in Vulcan culture. Surak says a lot on the way things are more than just "the sum of their parts," and I think this has to do a lot with the way we interpret the word itself. You mentioned that Roddenberry didn't define it as friend-OR-brother-OR-lover, which makes me feel like if we just pick one or two, we're really not doing our jobs correctly as translators. This word is something bigger than any one friend, any one lover; this word is something that is greater than the sum of its parts. I was writing almost-fic once ("almost-fic" because it's called "The Teachings of Surak and Kir'Shara Translated by James Kirk, with forward by Spock of Vulcan," but sort of fic-y because Kirk ( ... )
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And now that I've realized that I used the word 'fiesta, I'm sort of imagining this with tequila body shots and dark corners. CAN'T BE TAMED.
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