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Nov 16, 2015 23:00

I've said a lot of things elsewhere on this because I havent been able to create posts.  But let me say this ( Read more... )

i-say, political, ranty

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alton_lust November 17 2015, 04:32:20 UTC
And, you know, I'm sad and disappointed and angry that half MY country is now twitching to ban all Syrian refugees. Which has less to do with facts and all to do with /appearing/ to "do something".
*headdesk*

that one stupid piece of (fake!) paper has done more damage than anything else.

someone on the LJ homepage (whom I won't mention here cuz that's not the issue) got a nasty ranty cross-eyed reply to their suggestion to donate to a charity that tries to support refugees. This charity - http://www.rescue.org/
The journal owner handled it well enough, I think, which is why I'm leaving it alone.

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bluemeanybeany November 17 2015, 05:09:31 UTC
It doesnt really matter if the passport is fake, ie the terrorist is syrian, i mean he clearly wasnt a genuine refugee anyway. (Besides which lots of the migrants are using fake passports anyway) It matters if the fuckwit used the refugee path to get in, which it looks like he did because it looks like he was rescued from one of the sinking boats in Greece last month. However in the long term it may turn out better for the migrants, if you imagine that most of Europe is currently running a very tolerant policy of simply letting them go and helpfully pointing them in the direction of their neighbours border. I mean thats not sustainable anyway and never was going to be, the mass transit across europe is not a great thing. If you have to registered and stop and take an interest you also have to help., not just politely and tolerantly let the pass through. Theyll be no open border policy for Europe anymore, but then that always was going to happen sooner or later. The situation where some migrants end up living in shanty towns because ( ... )

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alton_lust November 17 2015, 21:30:16 UTC
How do they know he went that way? Fingerprints?

It sucks long AND short term. Half of my country's state governors have already called to ban all Syrian refugees starting with the paltry 10,000 the Pres had been asking for.
It's just fear mongering. Our immigration system doesn't even work that way. Refugees are more vetted than visitors. I'm hearing the 10.000 are people who have already waited 2 years. Kinda crazy.
"We're not going to let them in" can almost work where I am but I've no idea what Europe is going to try to do. Eeesh. Good luck!

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bluemeanybeany November 17 2015, 21:55:35 UTC
Yeah, it's icky but they found his finger so they know it matches the fingerprints of the bloke they fished out of the water off Greece last month ( ... )

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bluemeanybeany November 17 2015, 05:53:22 UTC
Also in terms of "othering" i think some of the British Muslim Communities need to stop doing that themselves. Its getting to the point where its hard to have the patience to stop thinking "why are we putting up with this again?" Stopping refering to other Britons as "kafir" would be a good start. Not thinking any islamic attack is either the CIA\MI6/Israel would be second. At least not verbalizing the opinion that its okay to kill Kafir who dishonour the Prophet would be 3. Not wanting to smash up things in Museums would be 4 ( ... )

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alton_lust November 17 2015, 21:57:16 UTC
Ha! You mentioned Nazis- you lose! LOL (Sorry. old debate rule ( ... )

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bluemeanybeany November 17 2015, 22:13:36 UTC
yeah I know, I'm trying to shut the voices up, but sometimes some of the Muslim Londoners say things and in my mind I'm like "bloody hell, it scares me you believe that" I suppose it's a good sign that they're honestly saying what they think. But sometimes it's hard to convince them these things are actually being done by people who are Muslims. Even in the face of masses of evidence there's a tendency to think it's "jewish brainwashing" or that it's a trick to paint Muslims in a bad light. They tend to assume things like it was the Americans that blew up the Russian Plane. And then in terms of Islamic State they aren't necessarily as against the idea as you might hope. They usually accept that it would be a challenge for them to live in a land under ultra-conservative Islam having grown-up in England and thus not be used to it, but there is a tendency to see it as the way of life God actually wants. And then there's the homophobia problem. I mean I don't know what we do about that.

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alton_lust November 17 2015, 22:19:22 UTC
AUUUUUUUUGHHHH!!!!!!!

Wow. I've got some hard cases where I live but Geez! I don't even know what to tell you.

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alton_lust November 18 2015, 01:01:56 UTC
I'm totally rambling in this whole day. I knowz it.

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bluemeanybeany November 18 2015, 14:14:05 UTC
I'll ramble along with you ( ... )

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bluemeanybeany November 18 2015, 17:14:17 UTC
Yeah primarily the Lamassu, because of the Syrian connection, but generally everything else in the British Museum too. While I know everywhere likes collecting historical things and labelling them, I think it probably should be admitted that probably it is in particular a weakness of the British. There's a saying the Jordanians have that Europe has no interest in the lives of the Middle Easterners, except for the British who are fascinated by the lives of the Middle Easterners but generally only the ones that died 3000 years ago ( ... )

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alton_lust November 19 2015, 07:54:03 UTC
I love the gate-keepers. They're my favorite thing in the museum. Hulk no smash ( ... )

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bluemeanybeany November 19 2015, 22:41:32 UTC
This is the part where it begins to fall apart though. Because the British Muslims would save the very replaceable book over the Statues. Worse than this, if I say "yeah of course we're saving the Lamassu" the reaction tends to be one of betrayal. They feel betrayed because they trusted us as fellow Britons to defend what was important to them, and when we put other things before this they start to get insecure that we don't care about their needs as much as the wants of the native Celts. In a majority Celt situation it exposes their insecurity that Muslim wants are in the minority and really very much subject to the benevolence of the Celt Majority who are going to set the societal tone of what is "acceptable ( ... )

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alton_lust November 20 2015, 04:43:25 UTC
*facepalm ( ... )

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