Paris

[alton_lust]

I've said a lot of things elsewhere on this because I havent been able to create posts.  But let me say this

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[bluemeanybeany]

Also in terms of "othering" i think some of the British Muslim Communities need to stop doing that themselves. Its getting to the point where its hard to have the patience to stop thinking "why are we putting up with this again?" Stopping refering to other Britons as "kafir" would be a good start. Not thinking any islamic attack is either the CIA\MI6/Israel would be second. At least not verbalizing the opinion that its okay to kill Kafir who dishonour the Prophet would be 3. Not wanting to smash up things in Museums would be 4

[alton_lust]

Ha! You mentioned Nazis- you lose! LOL (Sorry. old debate rule

[bluemeanybeany]

yeah I know, I'm trying to shut the voices up, but sometimes some of the Muslim Londoners say things and in my mind I'm like "bloody hell, it scares me you believe that" I suppose it's a good sign that they're honestly saying what they think. But sometimes it's hard to convince them these things are actually being done by people who are Muslims. Even in the face of masses of evidence there's a tendency to think it's "jewish brainwashing" or that it's a trick to paint Muslims in a bad light. They tend to assume things like it was the Americans that blew up the Russian Plane. And then in terms of Islamic State they aren't necessarily as against the idea as you might hope. They usually accept that it would be a challenge for them to live in a land under ultra-conservative Islam having grown-up in England and thus not be used to it, but there is a tendency to see it as the way of life God actually wants. And then there's the homophobia problem. I mean I don't know what we do about that.

[alton_lust]

AUUUUUUUUGHHHH!!!!!!!

Wow. I've got some hard cases where I live but Geez! I don't even know what to tell you.

[bluemeanybeany]

Well the British approach is trying to work on a position of "better out than in" type discussions where these things can come out. Because once out they can be challenged. But sometimes I find that very hard to remain patience to, I must admit. There's been discussions about whether it's acceptable to openly call for Jihad on the streets of London, and at the moment it still does happen. [mostly I imagine because the Security Services think it's a great opportunity for gaining intel on who's attending] but it is very difficult to decide whether this sort of thing is okay. The one that makes me most upset is that I can't get my friend to see why it's not okay to smash up the Nimrud Statues in the British Museum. He doesn't want to do it himself, but he doesn't get why it would be wrong for other people to do it. I've got to put my hands up and admit that at present I'm just not sure I'm that open-minded yet to be able to accept that we have different lifestyle choices. I just can't do it.

[alton_lust]

Hate speech is still hate speech. We do speak up and stop that here. Mostly. Ideally

[alton_lust]

Is this kind of stuff common? I find it a bit unnerving.

[bluemeanybeany]

okay prepare yourself for some statistics, these are from the BBC and some of the most left-wing pro-immigrant newspapers like The Guardian, in order to make sure these aren't just right-wing fodder.

In the good news side of things - British Muslims think women working is very acceptable and have moved away from conventional male-female gender roles. Also 96% say that they feel loyalty to Britain.

[bluemeanybeany]

British Muslims are less sexually liberal than their French and German counterparts....

"The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. By comparison, 35% of French Muslims found homosexual acts to be acceptable. A question on pornography also elicited different reactions, with French and German Muslims more likely than British Muslims to believe that watching or reading pornography was morally acceptable. On the issue of sexual relations between unmarried men and women, general populations surveyed express similar views, with the majority believing it was acceptable. But the Muslim populations polled again reflected greater diversity on the matter. French Muslims ranked highest again, with 48% believing it was acceptable, followed by 27% of German Muslims responding favourably. British Muslims came last, with only 3% of those questioned personally believing that sex between unmarried men and women was moral. "

[bluemeanybeany]

From the BBC Poll after the Charlie Hebbo Massacre;

- One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

- However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.
-One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests while 85% do not.

- Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree

[bluemeanybeany]

Also in order to impart a tone of panic into this "IT'S THE CHILDREN!!!" In that the Young British Muslims have worse numbers than the older generation