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Yesterday I got into an unpleasant discussion with another LJ user on the topic of Child Protection Agencies and the removal of children from their homes wither upon the determination of, or while the situation is being investigated whether the child is safer being removed from the parents or the current place of residence
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i thought up long and hard before replying, thought up very long replies, and point-to-point replies, and what's-not.
However, all of it can be summed up by this:
if even a fraction of the CPS and people associated with CPS think along the lines of what you've written here, I'm terrified, for myself -- and for the child i am about to "squeeze out", even though, of course, this is not at all about me.
That's all.
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here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generation
this is of what this mindset reminds me.
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I also think it is rather cruel and insensitive of you to use language that refers to a situation that you know caused me a lot of grief, and that I very much regretted being a part of , and "squeezing" it into conversation. It feels very much like a deliberate stab in the back.
Yes, most people who work with or for or around CPS think along the lines that I do. Though most of them are a lot less educated and intelligent, and aren't as willing to consider opposing sides or arguments.
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You mean that the only children that may be left at home are those who are not harmed by their in *any* way? Any way at all? How many would that leave?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, and it is not even about YOUR rights.
And it's going to happen within the framework of the imperfect but definitely functioning system, that really doesn't care about you or your privileged spawn shivering with terror of being separated
Fair enough, but is it really that "grotesque" to be protective of ones rights in dealing with a system that starts with the premise of not caring about you or your rights?
This is about the children who are starved, beaten, raped, burned, tied up, put away in cages, poisoned, frozen, made ill, molested, left alone for hours, not treated for illness, given drugs or alcohol, and psychologically abused by threats or screaming, or kids who have to live in dirty and dangerous shelters because the parents ( ... )
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no, i don;t think either I, or anyone in their right mind would legally be able to prove it to be abuse.
Made ill how?
how about by laying in their own feces for a few weeks?
Not treated from what illness?
how about ADD?
You make all of these sound so clear-cut. And as for threats and screaming, I think that most of my Russian Jewish "privileged spawn" friends are still dealing with decades-old trauma based on that. Should we all have been institutionalized long ago?DO I make them sound clear cut? Or is that your interpretation ( ... )
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How about ODD?
How much are Scientologists paying you for this performance?
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i think i love them very much and i'm positive that nobody will love them more or care for them better (well, maybe somebody may care for them better than I do), but I'm pretty sure there are many things in my house (starting from circumcision) that might be considered "abuse". actually, I was left alone in the appt, since I was 3 years old, there was plenty of screaming and spanking in my parent's house, still I'm terryfied that I could have been taken away by well-meaning authority. ALso, there is a lot of research on attachment, separation and its long-term effect. you might wanto to consider it.
(not to say that some kids shouldn't be removed. they should be, but it's an extreme measure, for extreme cases, and the system shouldn't assume that parents are guilty before charged).
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but sadly, it is. It can affect ANYONE, any strong, happy family and it did.
You are right, many parents ARE terrified and they have every right to be.
Something needs to change.
If I may say so... I feel that only becoming a parent will change your opinion.
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