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Yesterday I got into an unpleasant discussion with another LJ user on the topic of Child Protection Agencies and the removal of children from their homes wither upon the determination of, or while the situation is being investigated whether the child is safer being removed from the parents or the current place of residence
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You mean that the only children that may be left at home are those who are not harmed by their in *any* way? Any way at all? How many would that leave?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, and it is not even about YOUR rights.
And it's going to happen within the framework of the imperfect but definitely functioning system, that really doesn't care about you or your privileged spawn shivering with terror of being separated
Fair enough, but is it really that "grotesque" to be protective of ones rights in dealing with a system that starts with the premise of not caring about you or your rights?
This is about the children who are starved, beaten, raped, burned, tied up, put away in cages, poisoned, frozen, made ill, molested, left alone for hours, not treated for illness, given drugs or alcohol, and psychologically abused by threats or screaming, or kids who have to live in dirty and dangerous shelters because the parents are too drunk, too sick, too incompetent, or too absent to even acknowledge having a child.
What about children whose parents raise their children in a religious tradition that is at odds with "the guidelines"? Is not feeding your child milk or meat abuse? What about cutting off your son's foreskin while putting wine in their mouth when he is a mere 8-day-old baby? Made ill how? Not treated from what illness? You make all of these sound so clear-cut. And as for threats and screaming, I think that most of my Russian Jewish "privileged spawn" friends are still dealing with decades-old trauma based on that. Should we all have been institutionalized long ago?
In many situations parents who are doing the damage to the child do not see the whole picture - either because they are limited, or stupid or incompetent.
I would go a step further and say that most of the psychological damage done to children is done by parents who do not appreciate the full scope of their actions' consequences, and necessarily because they are stupid or incompetent, but first and foremost because they are human...
Good, nurturing parents should not have to fear outside intervention into their lives and the lives of their children.
Yes, and people who are not terrorists shouldn't fear about having their phone conversation tapes. Same exact fallacy, only worse, for at least a person who is innocent will take a lot of brainwashing to be convinced that he really did plot to blow the world up. A parent accused of psychologically abusing her child is never quite sure that she is innocent...
This is a system that to a large part runs on "those who care" and "do what they can".
Aliska, my dear, but is that not the very definition of a Stalinist society?
If you don't want to help, with all due respect, stuff it.
Вот и поговорили :) I only wish that I could say I have an alternative system to suggest. Do you know how similar or different these services are in other Western countries?
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no, i don;t think either I, or anyone in their right mind would legally be able to prove it to be abuse.
Made ill how?
how about by laying in their own feces for a few weeks?
Not treated from what illness?
how about ADD?
You make all of these sound so clear-cut. And as for threats and screaming, I think that most of my Russian Jewish "privileged spawn" friends are still dealing with decades-old trauma based on that. Should we all have been institutionalized long ago?
DO I make them sound clear cut? Or is that your interpretation?
As far as for how we were raised, I think the next generation speaks for itself. Whatever we are doing different, especially those of us in Civilized countries, have both personal experience to work with and a legal system that protects children, or at least attempts to. I think it's a win-win situation.
Aliska, my dear, but is that not the very definition of a Stalinist society?
no Maks, it is not. You are still not making any effort to take the focus off yourself and understand what I talking about.
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How about ODD?
How much are Scientologists paying you for this performance?
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I think she has made every possible valid and educated objection to what I had to say. If she missed anything, enlighten me.
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To paraphrase George Orwell, I have no particular love for the idealized ‘parent’ as he appears in the bourgeois mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood parent in conflict with his natural enemy, the rat, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on.
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but you know what - I do not want to talk to you. not here, not about this. If you are angry and haven't slept and need to lose the last two people in the world who love you and care for you, be an asshole and keep antagonizing me. But for once, stop quoting other historical assholes and use your own words. Just as a matter of final courtesy.
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