I'm not sure how I'm feeling about John after this episode. 'Cause this means he Willingly left the boys (at rather young ages 14 and 10) alone to be with his 'other family'.
I think it was stated that John didn't even know Adam existed till Adam was 12; and based on the age difference between Adam and Sam and Dean, that would mean Sam was already at Stanford and Dean was a grown man when John first started spending time with Adam. I guess Adam's conception occurred during a hunt John was on when the boys WERE young still and left God knows where on their own, but I don't think John was sneaking off during their teen years to see his other kid, since he didn't even know about Adam till Sam and Dean were older.
I think it was stated that John didn't even know Adam existed till Adam was 12; and based on the age difference between Adam and Sam and Dean, that would mean Sam was already at Stanford and Dean was a grown man when John first started spending time with Adam.
Okay, that makes me feel a little better, not much though. Because this:
Adam's conception occurred during a hunt John was on when the boys WERE young still and left God knows where on their own
Yeah, that's always been a sore point with me, how he just left the boys alone so often. Even though he kept them with him ostensibly to keep them safe from the evil after their family, he just goes off and repeatedly expects a very young Dean to protect both himself and Sam, which is the most irresponsible, emotionally traumatic thing ever, sigh...I always wished there would be SOMETHING in canon to ameliorate that a bit, but I guess it's pretty much set in stone now that he left them alone a LOT as children.
I think 'Something Wicked' and 'A Very Supernatural Christmas (the flash-backs)' definitely demonstrate that John left them alone to 'fend for themselves' on a semi-recurring basis. And I don't like it...
I totally gave up on trying in most of those scenes. Figuring that if anything important happened they'd find a way to highlight it (i.e. the fat!baby!ceiling!angel)...
"I'm not sure how I'm feeling about John after this episode."
My take was that John felt really guilty that he didn't even know he had another son until he was 12, and that the time he spent was a combination of overcompensation for that and for the fact that he maybe was beginning to regret that he didn't spend the time with Dean and Sam when they were younger, so maybe it was a way to try to do it right, or at least better, than he had... he was older by then and maybe had some more perspective - especially since Sam was away at school and Dean grown, and he maybe realized that he'd missed those things while he was hunting.
Intellectually I get that, but my heart wants to think that John was There for Dean and Sam in any/every way he could have been. And this (along with the flash-back episodes) is really painting the picture to show that he wasn't. And it makes my heart bleed for those little boys that were left to fend for themselves while Daddy was off playing SuperHero.
agree, and it is vary sad that that is how they grew up - and that's why I think he did what he did with Adam, as a way to make up for what he did to Dean and Sam (because that is canon) and it's pretty clear that as a human he had his flaws, but this does show that he was aware of his flaws at some point and tried to make up for it - even if it wasn't with Dean and Sam, again - I think he loved them, but was too wrapped up in his quest for revenge for so long that when he did realize what he'd done it was kinda too late for them, so, misplaced attonement of a sort.
Rock Paper Scissors FTW! (And Dean's face when he lost LOL). Yeah, it is about family, and this is sure to screw poor Dean up even more. And as for the diner's name? I wonder how many heads that went over??
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Seriously, I think that's his main goal in life...
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I think it was stated that John didn't even know Adam existed till Adam was 12; and based on the age difference between Adam and Sam and Dean, that would mean Sam was already at Stanford and Dean was a grown man when John first started spending time with Adam. I guess Adam's conception occurred during a hunt John was on when the boys WERE young still and left God knows where on their own, but I don't think John was sneaking off during their teen years to see his other kid, since he didn't even know about Adam till Sam and Dean were older.
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Okay, that makes me feel a little better, not much though. Because this:
Adam's conception occurred during a hunt John was on when the boys WERE young still and left God knows where on their own
still irks me.
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I loved this episode so much!
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This episode was EPIC!!!
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Yes *nods* yes it was.
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My take was that John felt really guilty that he didn't even know he had another son until he was 12, and that the time he spent was a combination of overcompensation for that and for the fact that he maybe was beginning to regret that he didn't spend the time with Dean and Sam when they were younger, so maybe it was a way to try to do it right, or at least better, than he had... he was older by then and maybe had some more perspective - especially since Sam was away at school and Dean grown, and he maybe realized that he'd missed those things while he was hunting.
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I totally got the reference to the diner's name and LoL'ed Hard at it.
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